Were the London riot sentences too harsh?
chippy
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15347868
Appeals against 4 years of incarceration for inciting riot using facebook. One was for inciting riot in a town that never suffered a single incident.
To me 4 years does seem a bit harsh, but there again, knowing our prison system they will be out in a few months on probation and a lesson learned.
Appeals against 4 years of incarceration for inciting riot using facebook. One was for inciting riot in a town that never suffered a single incident.
To me 4 years does seem a bit harsh, but there again, knowing our prison system they will be out in a few months on probation and a lesson learned.
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However I'd rather opt for a community sentence. Not 4 years (or even a few months knowing our penal system). I'm one for humiliation over incarceration to make the person more useful and for the people of the City they wanted to riot in laugh and know them.
But inciting a riot on Facebook is just :facepalm:
Yeah, making some one who does not feel part of a society feel humiliation is really going to bring them back into the fold.
What the fuck did they expect? Take them to jail, make them learn something. They need to learn not to be stupid, which judging by what they did, they have lots to learn.
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Yeah the only reason they're scapegoating These kid on face book is because they can't be fucked actually doing police work and arresting people who caused the physical damage ... They need to punish someone and this is the easiest way ... Do I think starting riots over Facebook should go unpunished ... No they should do dome type of comunity service not jail time... Do I think actual looters should go to jail?? YES...
^This.... Ed Zachery
Just because some one has the same opinion as you, it does not make it correct. It just means you share the same opinion on something.
I have heard nothing to the contrary that the police operation to arrest all of those caught on CCTV or those that the police have evidence of being involved in the riots coming to an end.
Those inciting civil unrest are actually worse than those commiting it. In the case of the above two, I have seen nothing other than they did what they did for shits and giggles. They were encouraging people. This sends the clear message that those that want to put themselves in that position will face the most sever consequences. These people are on par with enemy agents.
If they had half a brain about them they would know that the UK judicial system does not fuck around whenn you post any kind of threat online
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-11736785
Fuck 'em. Kings, Generals and the common man get executed in revolutions, coup d'etat's and crimes on the street. This sends a message to anyone that wants to lead on civil unrest. I think they will also do at least 18 months each. It is the kind of shock that they need, and the chance to learn something, if that is only how to organise thinking so you are not a stupid cunt.
There are many things wrong with society and the feminisation of law and order through soft touches wont make it better. Actions have consequences.
If someone has a serious drug habit and commits crime to pay for it - I advocate rehab because IF successful it is socially and economically the superior option. Community service or a suspended sentence would be appropiate here.
If someone has a council flat in one of the most desirable cities in the world with vast opportunities for business, political engagement, education and a standard of living well above the global mean I dont see much of a reason to start rioting.
The looters were people on welfare biting the hand that feeds. They have no sense of discipline and clearly no connection to the social contract that the british legal system is based upon.
They should lose the protection of this and the state should be hammering down on them with the full force of the law; I would expect nothing else.
I know theres a good chance that they're going to be coming out and causing more trouble again in 4 years time - but at least they wont be out causing a hazard to the public and shitting out another 3 kids that the taxpayer will be responsible for feeding.
Nice post but that's nothing to do with the op and FB
But it is related.
They were out canvassing for people to riot with when they got canned. The town didnt have a riot incident for a reason.
And further to my other points - these are adults; 21 and 22. They knew what was happening - they saw a chance to smash and grab and wanted in.
Were they being productive members of a society?
Do they show any respect or regard for their community?
Have they earned the respect and protection of the law?
They were laybouts who wanted to hurt their community and have earnt their penalty.
Actions have consequences.
While other people formed citizen patrols to protect their community these guys were looking for other people to fuck it up with.