Dutch ban to be placed on Kosher and Halal meat
RemadE
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So, you think Europe is being taken over by Muslims and other MINORITAHHS?
Not any more. The Right Wing party in Holland is making some pretty drastic changes to not only the Cannabis law, but also to laws on religious groups who aren't Christian. Of course, the Jews have to mention the Holocaust...
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Not any more. The Right Wing party in Holland is making some pretty drastic changes to not only the Cannabis law, but also to laws on religious groups who aren't Christian. Of course, the Jews have to mention the Holocaust...
Next month the Dutch parliament is expected to approve a ban on halal and kosher methods of slaughtering animals for food.
Those who proposed the ban say it is simply an issue of animal welfare, but it received strong support from the right-wing Freedom Party.
Many see it as a violation of their religious freedom, and among the Jewish community it is a worrying echo of a similar ban brought in by Hitler.
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We should not be letting people practice abhorent practices in the name of children. I hope to see ritual genital mutilation banned next.
So are you saying you support slaughter practices that are considered cruel by informed members of society, animal welfare and vetinary organisations?
I am saying that I support an individuals right to choose how they live over the practice of the state controlling the smallest aspects of personal choice. So don't try to put words in my mouth. Are you saying you are a national socialist liberal card carrying member of PETA?
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If I was putting words in your mouth I would have assumed your position rather than question what it is. I will take from your above statement that you support animals having their throats cut without being stunned - even though the slaughter takes place in the same premises as conventional slaughter where there is access to the equiptment required to do the job in the most humane way possible.
I am rather confused at your feelings on this, as within the last two weeks you have posted this
Now, since then, your beliefs have changed or you clearly have some dissonance between what you believe and what you think you should believe.
As for me being a 'national socialist liberal card carrying PETA member', well, a national socialist liberal is a new one on me, and while I do believe their shuld be ethics in the way we deal with animals, PETA go a little (lot) further than that. For the record, I am not a member of PETA.
I think you will find in Europe mistreatment and abuse means how the animal is killed. If I were to kill an animal - be it livestock or a pet by cutting its throat without stunning the animal first, I would be going to court. The only circumstances it is legally acceptable for me to do so is if I am euthanising a sick or injured animal and I have no means to stun the animal in a timely manner. So Jews and Muslims have a dispensation under the law to do thing that I cannot do.
People may believe that it is healthier to bleed meat out. The simple fact is, even if the animal is stunned with a captive bolt gun or with electrodes, the heart still beats to pump the blood out. The end result is the same as if no stunning had been used.
In reality, they do it because they interpret part of the history of their faith mandates it to be done. By your logic, of fully allowing people to undertake actions in line with their personal belief system, some people should be allowed to have as many wives as they want, marry children and that rapists should be forced to marry their victims in all coutries of the world.
Just because it is a belief, longheld or not, it does not make it right.
Simply not true. Science has shown that if an animal is not stunned, when cutting the throat, they can have a pain response for up to two minutes, amd that they will be conscious normally for between 10-30 seconds.
When animals are stunned, they have no pain repsonse.
http://mro.massey.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10179/1010/01front.pdf?sequence=2
It is not like people do not have a choice. In New Zealand, animals that are to be slaughtered for consumption by members of the Jewish faith undergo a reversible stunning - while they are stunned, they feel no pain and can be slaughtered. If they are not slaughtered, they will recover from the stunning.
I didn't say painless, I said relatively. And having worked in a slaughterhouse long before stunning was introduced in law, I can safely say that most animals are unconscious within about 3 to 5 seconds from blood loss to the brain.
I was always told to go for headshots when hunting, and I strive to, but even if I don't as the target moves at the second I pull the trigger, it's usually stunned and in shock.
No method is humane, and I grew up round Halal butchers, where you could see the blood running out the front of the shop to the street drains. Didn't bother me a single bit and still doesn't. I think we just value animals more in the West, not least as britain was the first Nation to implement Animal Cruelty laws due to Public demand. In the East, things are a bit different, but that doesn't mean they are wrong.