Mussolini and the German National Socialists: They knew a woman's place

NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
edited March 2011 in Spurious Generalities
IMO, Mussolini was more on the right track with a lot of ideas more than what Hitler was; it was only because Britian backstabbed Mussolini that he'd joined with Hitler. Mussolini was also much less of a prude than Hitler, whilst still maintining and keeping a firm hand of patriarchy. The one thing about German National Socialism that is praisworthy when reading the writings of the various Nazi German propagandists is their constant and very progressive insistence that the role of women within society is as kitchen/home-helpers and baby-makers. This position is progressive and is undeserving of being construed as being fundamentally reactionary, especially taking into account the great damage being wrought against the fabric of Western civilization today by the bearers of feminist and liberal social enlightenment. Hitler made his view very clear in many of his speeches and private discussions that women have no place in either government or politics, they also have no right to vote or participate in the workforce. This attitude thrived in many of Hitler’s predecessors in Reich government, such as the Iron Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, who famously summed up the natural biological role of woman as one of: Kinder, Kirche, Kuche. Josef Goebells summed it up even more perfectly On German Women; which I'll post a little bit later.

To Hitler, women were small-brained and superficial creatures with big mouths and a genuine passion for back-stabbing each other; the solution to the woman problem that Hitler envisioned was one of keeping the woman in a constant state of pregnancy, in which the woman functioned as a baby maker, rearing boys as future soldiers for lebensraum in the Slavic East and girls as future mothers and wives only.

The Nazi party in Germany during 1933 – 1945 discouraged women from entering institutions of higher learning, knowing that the lower intellect of the human female would not be able to function in an academic environment designed for males and would be an unnecessary financial cost to the state.
The program of our National Socialist Women's Movement has only
one point; that point is called the child.
- Nuremberg Speech (September 8, 1934)
When a woman starts thinking about the problems of existence
that's bad ... it is apt to get on one's nerves.
- Table Talk
A man's world is big compared with a woman's. ... The man is all her
world. Only occasionally does she think of anything else .... A
woman’s love is deeper than a man's. Her intellect is of no great
- Table Talk
When a woman goes to a great deal of trouble to make herself look nice, it is often because she gets a secret pleasure out of annoying another member of her sex. One thing women can do that we men can't is to kiss another woman friend and at the same time stick a needle into her. It is quite hopeless to want to reform women in this respect. Better ignore these little failings. If it makes them happy, well and good. It is an infinitely preferable occupation for a woman than dabbling in politics.
- Table Talk
I have to keep aloof from women. I can't afford to behave otherwise. All women do is boast about one and, as a man who is continually in the limelight, I have to guard against that .... Women just can't keep their mouths shut.
- Table Talk
A highly intelligent man should always choose a primitive and stupid woman.
- Quoted in Eva Braun, Hitler's Mistress
On German Women

by: Joseph Goebbels

German women, German men!

It is a happy accident that my first speech since taking charge of the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda is to German women. Although I agree with Treitschke that men make history, I do not forget that women raise boys to manhood. You know that the National Socialist movement is the only party that keeps women out of daily politics. This arouses bitter criticism and hostility, all of it very unjustified. We have kept women out of the parliamentary-democratic intrigues of the past fourteen years in Germany not because we do not respect them, but because we respect them too much. We do not see the woman as inferior, but rather as having a different mission, a different value, than that of the man. Therefore we believed that the German woman, who more than any other in the world is a woman in the best sense of the word, should use her strength and abilities in other areas than the man.

The woman has always been not only the man's sexual companion, but also his fellow worker. Long ago, she did heavy labor with the man in the field. She moved with him into the cities, entering the offices and factories, doing her share of the work for which she was best suited. She did this with all her abilities, her loyalty, her selfless devotion, her readiness to sacrifice.

The woman in public life today is no different than the women of the past. No one who understands the modern age would have the crazy idea of driving women from public life, from work, profession, and bread winning. But it must also be said that those things that belong to the man must remain his. That includes politics and the military. That is not to disparage women, only a recognition of how she can best use her talents and abilities.

Looking back over the past years of Germany's decline, we come to the frightening, nearly terrifying, conclusion that the less German men were willing to act as men in public life, the more women succumbed to the temptation to fill the role of the man. The feminization of men always leads to the masculinization of women. An age in which all great idea of virtue, of steadfastness, of hardness, and determination have been forgotten should not be surprised that the man gradually loses his leading role in life and politics and government to the woman.

It may be unpopular to say this to an audience of women, but it must be said, because it is true and because it will help make clear our attitude toward women.

The modern age, with all its vast revolutionary transformations in government, politics, economics, and social relations has not left women and their role in public life untouched. Things we thought impossible several years or decades ago are now everyday reality. Some good, noble, and commendable things have happened. But also things that are contemptible and humiliating. These revolutionary transformations have largely taken from women their proper tasks. Their eyes were set in directions that were not appropriate for them. The result was a distorted public view of German womanhood that had nothing to do with former ideals.

A fundamental change is necessary. At the risk of sounding reactionary and outdated, let me say this clearly: The first, best, and most suitable place for the women is in the family, and her most glorious duty is to give children to her people and nation, children who can continue the line of generations and who guarantee the immortality of the nation. The woman is the teacher of the youth, and therefore the builder of the foundation of the future. If the family is the nation's source of strength, the woman is its core and center. The best place for the woman to serve her people is in her marriage, in the family, in motherhood. This is her highest mission. That does not mean that those women who are employed or who have no children have no role in the motherhood of the German people. They use their strength, their abilities, their sense of responsibility for the nation, in other ways. We are convinced, however, that the first task of a socially reformed nation must be to again give the woman the possibility to fulfill her real task, her mission in the family and as a mother.

The national revolutionary government is everything but reactionary. It does not want to stop the pace of our rapidly moving age. It has no intention of lagging behind the times. It wants to be the flag bearer and pathfinder of the future. We know the demands of the modern age. But that does not stop us from seeing that every age has its roots in motherhood, that there is nothing of greater importance than the living mother of a family who gives the state children.

German women have been transformed in recent years. They are beginning to see that they are not happier as a result of being given more rights but fewer duties. They now realize that the right to be elected to public office at the expense of the right to life, motherhood, and her daily bread is not a good trade.

A characteristic of the modern era is a rapidly declining birthrate in our big cities. In 1900, two million babies were born in Germany. Now the number has fallen to one million. This drastic decline is most evident in the nation's capital. In the last fourteen years, Berlin's birthrate has become the lowest of any European city. By 1955, without emigration, it will have only about three million inhabitants. The government is determined to halt this decline of the family and the resulting impoverishment of our blood. There must be a fundamental change. The liberal attitude toward the family and the child is responsible for Germany's rapid decline. We today must begin worrying about an aging population. In 1900 there were seven children for each elderly person, today it is only four. If current trends continue, by 1988 the ratio will be 1 : 1. These statistics say it all. They are the best proof that if Germany continues along its current path, it will end in an abyss with breathtaking speed. We can almost determine the decade when Germany collapses because of depopulation.

We are not willing to stand aside and watch the collapse of our national life and the destruction of the blood we have inherited. The national revolutionary government has the duty to rebuilt the nation on its original foundations, to transform the life and work of the woman so that it once again best serves the national good. It intends to eliminate the social inequalities so that once again the life of our people and the future of our people and the immortality of our blood is assured.

I welcome this exhibition, whose goal is to explain and teach, and to reduce or eliminate harm to the individual and the whole people. This serves the nation and popular enlightenment, and to support it is one of the happiest duties of the new government.

Perhaps this exhibition titled "The Woman" will represent a turning point. If the goal of the exhibition is to give an impression of women in contemporary society, it does so at a time when German society is undergoing the greatest changes in generations. I am aware of how difficult this is. I know the obstacles that had to be overcome to give this exhibition a clear theme and a firm structure. It should show the significance of the woman for the family, the people, and the whole nation. Displays will give an impression of the actual life of women today, and will provide the knowledge necessary to resolve today's conflicting opinions, which were not primarily the result of the contemporary women's movement.

But that is not all. The main purpose of the exhibition "The Woman" is not only to show the way things are, but to make proposals for improvement. It aims to show new ways and new opportunities. Clear and often drastic examples will give thousands of German women reason to think and consider. It is particularly pleasing to us men in the new government that families with many children are given particular attention, since we want to rescue the nation from decline. The importance of the family cannot be overestimated, especially in families without fathers that depend entirely upon the mother. In these families the woman has sole responsibility for the children, and she must realize the responsibility she has to her people and nation.

We do not believe that the German people is destined by fate to decline. We have blind confidence that Germany still has a great mission in the world. We have faith that we are not at the end of our history, but rather that a new, great and honorable period of our history is now beginning. This faith give us the strength to work and not despair. It enabled us to make great sacrifices over the past fourteen years. It gave millions of German women the strength to hope in Germany and its future, and to let their sons join in the reawakening of the nation. This faith was with the brave women who lost their husbands and breadwinners in the war, with those who gave their sons in the battle to renew their people. This faith kept us standing during the need and desperation of the past fourteen years. And this faith today fills us with new hope that Germany will again find its place in the sun.

Nothing makes one harder and more determined than struggle. Nothing gives more courage than to face resistance. During the years when Germany seemed destined to decline, a new kind of womanhood developed under the confused veneer of modern civilization. It is hard, determined, courageous, willing to sacrifice. During the four years of the great war and the fourteen years of German collapse that followed, German women and mothers proved themselves worthy companions of their men. They have borne all the bitterness, all the privation and danger, and did not fail when hit by misfortune, worry and trouble. As long as a nation has such a proud and noble womanhood, it cannot perish. These women are the foundation of our race, of its blood and of its future.

This is the beginning of a new German womanhood. If the nation once again has mothers who proudly and freely choose motherhood, it cannot perish. If the woman is healthy, the people will be healthy. Woe to the nation that neglects its women and mothers. It condemns itself.

We hope that the concept of the German woman will again earn the honor and respect of the entire world. The German woman will then take her pride in her land and her people, in thinking German and feeling German. The honor of her nation and her race will be most important to her. Only a nation that does not forget its honor will be able to guarantee its daily bread.

The German woman should never forget that.

I declare this exhibition open. May it reveal all the former errors and show the way to the future.

Then the world will once again respect us, and we will be able to affirm the words of Walther von der Vogelweide, who had this to say about the German woman in his famous poem:

He who seeks
Virtue and proper love,
Should come to our land.
There is much joy.
Long may I live there.

Mussolini put it just as well. One of the best things Benito Mussolini did in the early 1920s was banning women from the workforce. Infact I agree with a lot of what Benito had to say in regards to women.
War is to man what motherhood is to a woman. From a philosophical and doctrinal viewpoint, I do not believe in perpetual peace.
Women are like sardines, best kept in tins.
I am rather pessimistic... I believe, for example, that a woman does not have a large power of synthesis, and she is thus unfit for great spiritual creations.
With work, a woman becomes like a man; she causes man's unemployment; she develops an independence and a fashion that is contrary to the process of childbirth, and lowers the demographic curve; man is deprive of work and dignity; he is castrated in every sense because the machine deprives him either of his woman or his virility

There are those who say that I intend to limit the right to vote. No! Every citizen will keep his right to vote for the Rome Parliament… Let me also admit to you that I am not thinking of extending the vote to women. There would be no point. My blood opposes all kinds of feminism when it comes to women participating in state affairs. Naturally a woman shouldn't be a slave, but if I conceded her the vote, I'd be laughed at. In our state, she must not count.
^^ My personal favourite.


  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited March 2011
    So you are citing the ravings of two dead dictators from short lived regimes which both failed miserably as an argument for Fascism? What, exactly, is the point you are trying to make SLIM?
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited March 2011
    I agree they had the right idea when it comes to women. The idea that keeping a woman in the kitchen is somehow oppression is retarded. They have a use and a function as providing children and maintaining the house. One thing I do have an issue with about a lot of communist leaders was their feminist stance although I do agree with Stalin on using them for the military.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited March 2011
    Only weak men fear strong women.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited March 2011
    Only weak men fear strong women.

    I'm not afraid of women I simply know their practical and biological place.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited March 2011
    I'm not afraid of women I simply know their practical and biological place.

    Correction, you have an opinion (probably based on masculine insecurity) of where they need to be in order for you to not feel threatened by them.
  • RolfRolf Regular
    edited March 2011
    Negrophobe wrote: »

    When Rolf met Mussolini, Rolf forgot to ask said Duce what the significance of a new Roman Empire would be without the ability for it's Legion to conquer new lands without the assistance of Germanic mercenaries, states Rolf.
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