A Discussion of Free Speech

fanglekaifanglekai Regular
edited April 2011 in Spurious Generalities
I made a thread celebrating Hitler's birthday in the appropriate forum - PLRC. It was moved. It was a humorous political thread in its appropriate political forum. I realize it was moved because thedarkrodent is massively butthurt, but what I find alarming is how commonplace this kind of modding seems to be, and as a result I decided to make this thread to discuss freedom of speech on totse.

I stopped posting here for a few months, so I'm not really up to speed on this whole mods abusing their power thing and whatever it was that happened with spectral and daguru. I'm making this thread to discuss what I've seen in the past couple days on here and I hope this thread proves to be fruitful for community discussion.

Before I left I made a thread to discuss what should be done about off topic and "fail" posting. Here we see the results:

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The community voted to let "failtrolls" post whatever they want. Let that sink in. Even when I used the term "failtroll", the community still voted in favor of letting them post whatever they want. I used the term failtrolls precisely because it was subjective and inherently pejorative without being specific. Users voted in favor of letting people, regardless of who they were, post at will. That was the majority's consensus. How come that isn't the way things are? What is it going to be here? Are you going to allow free, unhindered speech or are there going to be tons of rules?

I originally made my "ban failtrolls" thread to generate discussion about this very topic. The community voted in favor of unhindered free speech. I wanted to discuss the topic before the site saw an influx of new members some of whom would, I imagined, troll this place. Perhaps the community's attitude shifted in favor of banning/moving threads/erasing user content while I was away. I don't know. What I do know is that this community needs to figure out what it's going to do about preserving free speech. From the looks of it this place is on its way to zoklet or totse2-style banning, where mods play favorites and ban at will.
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  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited April 2011
    First of all thanks for creating this thread. This is the thread in question: http://www.totse.info/bbs/showthread.php?t=9220

    Before we begin, we should first define failtrolls and shitty posters. You can't allow users to just posts tons of Umad images in serious threads. Do you want to see a pakistani sniff cum in every thread created on Totse.info? Would you like to see Umad references in thread created in T&T, Art and other sections. Would you like to see PLRC threads derailed by memes?

    Freedom of Speech is allowed her as much as possible but you have to limit users in serious section. You can have fun in HB and no one will bother you.

    But again, I would like to see some feedback on this issue.

    EDIT: I don't recall you complaining or raising question about the PLRC thread move before?

    EDI2L Thread link http://www.totse.info/bbs/showthread.php?t=14230
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited April 2011
    Dfg wrote: »
    First of all thanks for creating this thread. This is the thread in question: http://www.totse.info/bbs/showthread.php?t=9220

    Before we begin, we should first define failtrolls and shitty posters. You can't allow users to just posts tons of Umad images in serious threads. Do you want to see a pakistani sniff cum in every thread created on Totse.info? Would you like to see Umad references in thread created in T&T, Art and other sections. Would you like to see PLRC threads derailed by memes?

    Freedom of Speech is allowed her as much as possible but you have to limit users in serious section. You can have fun in HB and no one will bother you.

    But again, I would like to see some feedback on this issue.

    EDIT: I don't recall you complaining or raising question about the PLRC thread move before?

    EDI2L Thread link http://www.totse.info/bbs/showthread.php?t=14230

    The community voted. Ask users what they think failtroll means to them. That's the whole point of discussion: to raise points and discuss various points of view in order to reach a consensus. It's not about what I want. It's not about what I think. It's about what the community thinks. The community decides, remember?

    I made my complaint about my thread being moved in this thread. If I had made a separate thread I would have been accused of flooding and probably been banned by the mod who runs B&M as a result.
  • LouisCypherLouisCypher Regular
    edited April 2011
    Where was the thread moved?
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited April 2011
    fanglekai wrote: »
    The community voted. Ask users what they think failtroll means to them. That's the whole point of discussion: to raise points and discuss various points of view in order to reach a consensus. It's not about what I want. It's not about what I think. It's about what the community thinks. The community decides, remember?

    I made my complaint about my thread being moved in this thread. If I had made a separate thread I would have been accused of flooding and probably been banned by the mod who runs B&M as a result.

    Nope, I don't think you would be banned for pointing out some like that, unless you try to follow BHD example. But it would have helped if that thread was pointed out.

    Anyway, what I am trying to say is, we need to define failtrolling and shitty posting. This is a BIG grey area here and hopefully this thread might clear it up. A lot changes in few months and it would help if some clear lines were drawn.

    When I asked you what you think, I was just asking for some feedback to start the ball rolling. Not really pointing anyone, I was just helping to start the discussion.

    I will repost those questions:
    Do you want to see a pakistani sniff cum in every thread created on Totse.info?

    Would you like to see Umad references in thread created in T&T, Art and other sections?

    Would you like to see PLRC threads derailed by memes?

    Answer them if you like and it would be nice if others answer them and give their input on this.
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited April 2011
    where was the thread moved?
    plrc ---> nimf
  • Gary OakGary Oak Regular
    edited April 2011
    Do you think that people should just be allowed to post shit all over the place than Fangly?
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited April 2011
    Where was the thread moved?

    NIMF. TDR didn't move it to HB since according to him HB mod requested other mods not to dump threads there in that fashion. I already talked about this with TDR and I am going to ask HB mod to at least give us some guidelines for other mods to work with.

    It's mainly a problem of communication here.
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited April 2011
    Dfg wrote: »
    Nope, I don't think you would be banned for pointing out some like that, unless you try to follow BHD example. But it would have helped if that thread was pointed out.

    Anyway, what I am trying to say is, we need to define failtrolling and shitty posting. This is a BIG grey area here and hopefully this thread might clear it up. A lot changes in few months and it would help if some clear lines were drawn.

    When I asked you what you think, I was just asking for some feedback to start the ball rolling. Not really pointing anyone, I was just helping to start the discussion.

    I will repost those questions:
    Do you want to see a pakistani sniff cum in every thread created on Totse.info?

    Would you like to see Umad references in thread created in T&T, Art and other sections?

    Would you like to see PLRC threads derailed by memes?

    Answer them if you like and it would be nice if others answer them and give their input on this.

    Personally I don't think spamming should be allowed. Spamming = posting the same image/one-liner over and over all over the place. It's not lulzy and it's not constructive. However, if the community wants spam, then that's what we should have.

    What is NOT spam is posting non-serious replies or threads in "serious" sections. I don't get why we'd want all the forums to be srs bsns 24/7. There are specialist forums and other sites for boring discourse. This place shouldn't follow their example because it will lead to stagnation. Very few people are attracted to consistently serious, boring discourse. Humor attracts new members and generates content.

    My thread wasn't a meme thread nor was it spam. I'm using it as an example to generate discussion. If threads like mine are considered spam then what's next?
  • LouisCypherLouisCypher Regular
    edited April 2011
    I agree with the miscommunication but really I don't think the mod of HB should have anything to fucking complain about. Like HB has standards or something? Like it would ruin his day to have to move a thread if someone accidentally misplaced a thread? Whoever the mod of HB is should be begging for something to do.:rolleyes:

    Its not like it was a great thread or anything but NIMF? Come on, it could have gone in SG or HB easily and been well within the guidelines. Does anyone think if it HAD been made in HB anyone would have trashed it? I sure as fuck don't.
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited April 2011
    fanglekai wrote: »
    Personally I don't think spamming should be allowed. Spamming = posting the same image/one-liner over and over all over the place. It's not lulzy and it's not constructive. However, if the community wants spam, then that's what we should have.

    What is NOT spam is posting non-serious replies or threads in "serious" sections. I don't get why we'd want all the forums to be srs bsns 24/7. There are specialist forums and other sites for boring discourse. This place shouldn't follow their example because it will lead to stagnation. Very few people are attracted to consistently serious, boring discourse. Humor attracts new members and generates content.

    My thread wasn't a meme thread nor was it spam. I'm using it as an example to generate discussion. If threads like mine are considered spam then what's next?

    The users change and community recycles from time to time. A poll created in 2010 might not be valid in 2011, hence it's required to get constant feedback. We learned new things since that thread and we did saw some major loop holes. Some changes were made. This is a community driven website where community decides everything, but it's also a website that has central controllers.

    You can't follow every suggestion or implement everything. Although I agree I am quick at making changes but after reviewing things and past history, I feel it's best to test things before jumping in.

    This spamming or should I just say off topic posting issue has been bugging me quite recently. As more mods ask for better management you're really stuck between deciding what's next.

    When it comes down, it basically depends on the mod who is trying to run that section in the best way possible. You remember I constantly restricted mods from time to time, it was because of this failtrolling issue. Because of that you couldn't really contain threads and users would just poke fingers at you and then leave.

    Once you left, I had to make some changes and hence the mods were given greater control over sections so they can control and manage things better. Now, if a mod tries to increase the quality of discussion in some section, you can't really blame him.

    I can quote TDD here, they have strict moderation and you will find some good content there. When it comes to Totse.info, you're stuck. You can't give mods more control because that will create problems for users who focus on lulz side more and don't really want to contribute in a decent fashion.

    So, I personally think we need to find the perfect balance where both these environments and co-exist. You can have lulz and information without ruining discussion. But humor in the form of umad? or cock sucking pictures or one liners doesn't really work.

    Again, we came to same point. A proper well understand defination of Fail Trolling/ Shitty Posting and what should be done with it.

    Freedom of Speech is used for expressing yourself but I don't think going overboard with HB styled posts counts. Again, it's just me thinking things.
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited April 2011
    I agree with the miscommunication but really I don't think the mod of HB should have anything to fucking complain about. Like HB has standards or something? Like it would ruin his day to have to move a thread if someone accidentally misplaced a thread? Whoever the mod of HB is should be begging for something to do.:rolleyes:

    Its not like it was a great thread or anything but NIMF? Come on, it could have gone in SG or HB easily and been well within the guidelines. Does anyone think if it HAD been made in HB anyone would have trashed it? I sure as fuck don't.

    Read my explanation ^ Above. I will move the thread to HB. [HB has standards btw, I post there from time to time, I meant to say, that I think highly of HB and it's not what most users think it is.]
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    I agree with the miscommunication but really I don't think the mod of HB should have anything to fucking complain about. Like HB has standards or something? Like it would ruin his day to have to move a thread if someone accidentally misplaced a thread? Whoever the mod of HB is should be begging for something to do.:rolleyes:

    Its not like it was a great thread or anything but NIMF? Come on, it could have gone in SG or HB easily and been well within the guidelines. Does anyone think if it HAD been made in HB anyone would have trashed it? I sure as fuck don't.


    I am in complete agreement with this^. But as the mod of HB had made a request I respected it.

    In fact I stated that as far as I was concerned it would be perfect for HB but I don't work in HB.
    Yo this thread has no a political discussion so off to NIMF if one of the admins wants to and if vozhde doesn't mind I guess it could be moved to HB but vozhde has requested that other mods not dump their trash in his lap. So it is off to NIMF for now.
  • LouisCypherLouisCypher Regular
    edited April 2011
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  • Sarahlov3lySarahlov3ly Regular
    edited April 2011
    Fang you can stay ;)
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited April 2011
    Fang you can stay ;)

    No one is telling him to leave any way :).
  • Sarahlov3lySarahlov3ly Regular
    edited April 2011
    Dfg wrote: »
    No one is telling him to leave any way :).

    no one better say that:)
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    Dfg wrote: »
    No one is telling him to leave any way :).
    no one better say that:)

    Leave Fang :p
  • Sarahlov3lySarahlov3ly Regular
    edited April 2011
    Leave Fang :p

    I say you leave :D
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited April 2011
    I say you leave :D

    Run
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    I say you leave :D

    R3-4P24X18NOU-TURN.png
    :p
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited April 2011
    Leave Fang :p
    Keep trashing my on topic threads and I will.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    It is in SG lighten up.
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited April 2011
    fanglekai wrote: »
    Keep trashing my on topic threads and I will.
    It is in SG lighten up.

    Another fine example of allowing too much.
  • Sarahlov3lySarahlov3ly Regular
    edited April 2011
    suck on my penis..


    Fang I love your threads you bring a lot to totse.. Keep it up
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited April 2011
    It is in SG lighten up.

    Yes, this thread is in SG, so it's automatically not worthy of discussion apparently.
    Dfg wrote: »
    Another fine example of allowing too much.

    Allowing too much what? Finish your sentences.
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited April 2011
    fanglekai wrote: »
    Yes, this thread is in SG, so it's automatically not worthy of discussion apparently.



    Allowing too much what? Finish your sentences.

    Allowing to much off topic posts. You did see the topic got derailed there. This happens in serious sections a lot. Just pointing out something that I see from time to time.
  • Sarahlov3lySarahlov3ly Regular
    edited April 2011
    my apologies
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited April 2011
    Let's get it back on topic:

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  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    fanglekai wrote: »
    Let's get it back on topic:

    free%20speech.png

    OK back to a statement that you made in your OP.

    You stated that "it was moved because thedarkrodent is massively butthurt". Can you please explain how you or anyone could possibly know either the emotions behind the action of someone online or their reason for syaing or doing anything with any degree of accuracy worthy of discussion.

    Let me show you what I mean.

    You said;
    fanglekai wrote: »
    I made a thread celebrating Hitler's birthday in the appropriate forum - PLRC. It was moved. It was a humorous political thread in its appropriate political forum. I realize it was moved because thedarkrodent is massively butthurt, but what I find alarming is how commonplace this kind of modding seems to be, and as a result I decided to make this thread to discuss freedom of speech on totse.

    The blue part is your opinion and you are entitled to it. It was the opinion of both the moderator of the forum and of the admin that the thread belonged in HB. It was moved to NIMF and left open only to respect the wishes of the moderator of HB. At no time was anyone told what they could discuss or was any content altered or deleted from this thread. There was no effort on the part of anyone to limit anything that was being said. Just like a barber shop quartet can't stroll into the public library and start piping out "Row Row Row Your Boat" in a round, certain areas are reserved for certain topics and formats of discussion. As was explained before the thread was moved it was simply moved to more appropriate area for the type of activity that it was.

    Before I touch on the red part, you know the part where you claim to know what I feel over the internet, let's read your next part.


    fanglekai wrote: »
    I stopped posting here for a few months, so I'm not really up to speed on this whole mods abusing their power thing and whatever it was that happened with spectral and daguru. I'm making this thread to discuss what I've seen in the past couple days on here and I hope this thread proves to be fruitful for community discussion.

    Why was it you stopped posting here for a few months? I could say it was because you were butt hurt over the Yoda account. I could but I am not because I honestly have no way of knowing what you feel behind your keyboard. I can say that from your OP you seem to be confused between freedom of speech and an opinion of where a conversation belongs according to forum descriptions and posted guidelines for formatting and content. So in response to the red part above it is plain that your opinion is incorrect as to why the thread was moved. It is also plain that at no time was your freedom of speech or that of anyone else limited in any fashion.
    fanglekai wrote: »
    Before I left I made a thread to discuss what should be done about off topic and "fail" posting. Here we see the results:

    IMG tag removed for redundancy

    The community voted to let "failtrolls" post whatever they want. Let that sink in. Even when I used the term "failtroll", the community still voted in favor of letting them post whatever they want. I used the term failtrolls precisely because it was subjective and inherently pejorative without being specific. Users voted in favor of letting people, regardless of who they were, post at will. That was the majority's consensus. How come that isn't the way things are? What is it going to be here? Are you going to allow free, unhindered speech or are there going to be tons of rules?

    Dfg has already addressed this.^
    fanglekai wrote: »
    I originally made my "ban failtrolls" thread to generate discussion about this very topic. The community voted in favor of unhindered free speech. I wanted to discuss the topic before the site saw an influx of new members some of whom would, I imagined, troll this place. Perhaps the community's attitude shifted in favor of banning/moving threads/erasing user content while I was away. I don't know. What I do know is that this community needs to figure out what it's going to do about preserving free speech. From the looks of it this place is on its way to zoklet or totse2-style banning, where mods play favorites and ban at will.


    Show me where any user content was erased in any of this with your thread. Why do you insist that free speech is at issue with the event that motivated you to create this thread? Nothing was deleted, nobody was warned/infracted, and no threads were closed.
  • DaGuruDaGuru Mite
    edited April 2011
    You stated that "it was moved because thedarkrodent is massively butthurt". Can you please explain how you or anyone could possibly know either the emotions behind the action of someone online or their reason for syaing or doing anything with any degree of accuracy worthy of discussion.

    Oh for the love of god, you hapless little imp.....despite your tiring efforts to twist semantics, MOST of this community can witness you are butthurt pretty much 24/7. People can feel your emotions/intent QUITE CLEARLY based on your posting (AND modding) behaviors all over these boards.

    That is simple human social interaction and observation....ACTIONS speak louder then words. The way you hold your petty grudges, follow people around, make childish smarmy comments to them in whatever thread you can find, make multiple B&M threads, reinvent the meanings of words, argue petty semantics with a tome of twisting and manipulation, etc ad nauseum.....these are ALL things you do on a CONSTANT basis to anyone you've found a grievance with on these board.

    And let's not forget how when backed into a corner and feeling totally helpless....Dark Rodent DOES have a history of fucking with someone's personal info IRL, going after a teenager still living at home with his parents all because he didn't agree with someone on a message board.

    Nahhhh, none of that ever happened, did it Rodent.......and all of your epic immaturity and insecurity is completely justified, right???? :facepalm:

    DFG, above you wanted some sincere and intelligent feedback about "freedom of speeech". The problem is though....while you are trying to grow this community, work on advertising, and bring in more members.....you need to FIRST address just who is setting the examples/tone/standards around here. You can come up with the most perfect "definition" of Freedom of Speech....but as long as you have problematic morons such as Rodent on staff making up shit as he goes along and selectively enforcing your rules/standards willy nilly as it suits him, you have no hope to create any sense of sincerity or integrity within these walls.

    I know DFG, you are a VERY patient person. You constantly talk about "guiding" users, and I can tell you are walking on eggshells with DR. The whole community can see it....how you are constantly having to pull in his reigns, tell him to back off, instruct him to stay in his sections, scold him for being too abrasive or taking things too far......it is OBVIOUS you have to do more "babysitting" just dealing with Rodent, then you do the rest of the staff combined.

    But the point is, Totse doesnt' have the "time" to be patient with its moderators that ARE in a leadership position. Because your staff members ARE representing what Totse "is about"...at least they should be. And as long as you have toxic headaches CONSTANTLY involved in petty dramas and epic butthurt, all of your advertising efforts will be a complete waste. Nobody worth their salt is going to want to deal with these kinds of games, or frequent a place with such hypocritical nonsense happening with such regularity. Think Vladie or Zos over at Zoklet.....and think about how their never ending stupidity and immaturity is "helping" that place.

    InB4 Rodent whines...."seeeeeee, he is trying to divide community again, how dare he enter that thread and make a mockery of what I"ve done for this place".

    Sorry chump, I ain't trying to divide it at all.....instead save it, while it still has a little bit of a chance.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    ^Funny becasue this is thread is about free speech not your personal vendetta against me DaGuru. But Dfg has already shared his thoughts with me on my last post ITT and I assure you he feels much differently about it than you do. Have a nice day.
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited April 2011
    DaGuru wrote: »
    Oh for the love of god, you hapless little imp.....despite your tiring efforts to twist semantics, MOST of this community can witness you are butthurt pretty much 24/7. People can feel your emotions/intent QUITE CLEARLY based on your posting (AND modding) behaviors all over these boards.

    That is simple human social interaction and observation....ACTIONS speak louder then words. The way you hold your petty grudges, follow people around, make childish smarmy comments to them in whatever thread you can find, make multiple B&M threads, reinvent the meanings of words, argue petty semantics with a tome of twisting and manipulation, etc ad nauseum.....these are ALL things you do on a CONSTANT basis to anyone you've found a grievance with on these board.

    And let's not forget how when backed into a corner and feeling totally helpless....Dark Rodent DOES have a history of fucking with someone's personal info IRL, going after a teenager still living at home with his parents all because he didn't agree with someone on a message board.

    Nahhhh, none of that ever happened, did it Rodent.......and all of your epic immaturity and insecurity is completely justified, right???? :facepalm:

    DFG, above you wanted some sincere and intelligent feedback about "freedom of speeech". The problem is though....while you are trying to grow this community, work on advertising, and bring in more members.....you need to FIRST address just who is setting the examples/tone/standards around here. You can come up with the most perfect "definition" of Freedom of Speech....but as long as you have problematic morons such as Rodent on staff making up shit as he goes along and selectively enforcing your rules/standards willy nilly as it suits him, you have no hope to create any sense of sincerity or integrity within these walls.

    I know DFG, you are a VERY patient person. You constantly talk about "guiding" users, and I can tell you are walking on eggshells with DR. The whole community can see it....how you are constantly having to pull in his reigns, tell him to back off, instruct him to stay in his sections, scold him for being too abrasive or taking things too far......it is OBVIOUS you have to do more "babysitting" just dealing with Rodent, then you do the rest of the staff combined.

    But the point is, Totse doesnt' have the "time" to be patient with its moderators that ARE in a leadership position. Because your staff members ARE representing what Totse "is about"...at least they should be. And as long as you have toxic headaches CONSTANTLY involved in petty dramas and epic butthurt, all of your advertising efforts will be a complete waste. Nobody worth their salt is going to want to deal with these kinds of games, or frequent a place with such hypocritical nonsense happening with such regularity. Think Vladie or Zos over at Zoklet.....and think about how their never ending stupidity and immaturity is "helping" that place.

    InB4 Rodent whines...."seeeeeee, he is trying to divide community again, how dare he enter that thread and make a mockery of what I"ve done for this place".

    Sorry chump, I ain't trying to divide it at all.....instead save it, while it still has a little bit of a chance.

    I got your point, but this discussion is about FoS on Totse. Not Rodent moderation skills or his so-called butthurt :). So, although this was interesting read I am still waiting for something more concrete.

    The reason why I need to define things is, it will make it easier for me and others like Global Mods to enforce them.
  • DaGuruDaGuru Mite
    edited April 2011
    Dfg wrote: »
    I got your point, but this discussion is about FoS on Totse. Not Rodent moderation skills or his so-called butthurt :). So, although this was interesting read I am still waiting for something more concrete.

    The reason why I need to define things is, it will make it easier for me and others like Global Mods to enforce them.

    Point taken.....but I was only responding to Rodent's challenge/butthurt....when he thought it was more important to discuss HIS presence here than the issue of Freedom of Speech.

    See this is pretty much exactly what I'm talking about above....he'll derail any thread with his incessant "its all about meeeeeeee" attention whoring, but then when someone does step up to the plate and puts him in his place....he takes 5 or 10 steps backwards and claims that isn't the topic of the thread. YET AGAIN, he's making up shit/altering the course of these threads as it suits him......just willy nilly behaviors on his spastic impulse.

    Sorry DFG to digress this thread, and I'll try my hardest in the future with any other responses on this thread to not trample on Rodent's already damaged psyche. As long as he doesn't continue to try to twist this thread into yet ANOTHER argument about "him"....then I guess nobody else really has anything to say about his modding...do we? ;)
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited April 2011
    DaGuru wrote: »
    Point taken.....but I was only responding to Rodent's challenge/butthurt....when he thought it was more important to discuss HIS presence here than the issue of Freedom of Speech.

    See this is pretty much exactly what I'm talking about above....he'll derail any thread with his incessant "its all about meeeeeeee" attention whoring, but then when someone does step up to the plate and puts him in his place....he takes 5 or 10 steps backwards and claims that isn't the topic of the thread. YET AGAIN, he's making up shit/altering the course of these threads as it suits him......just willy nilly behaviors on his spastic impulse.

    Sorry DFG to digress this thread, and I'll try my hardest in the future with any other responses on this thread to not trample on Rodent's already damaged psyche. As long as he doesn't continue to try to twist this thread into yet ANOTHER argument about "him"....then I guess nobody else really has anything to say about his modding...do we? ;)

    This is SG, things can get de-railed here. So, don't worry about it. Plus, you can just make a B&M thread and discuss this in length but it's best to give some a chance to recover and correct his/her mistakes :).
  • buddhabuddha Regular
    edited April 2011
    The poll is flawed and your interpretation of it is wrong.

    Ban them - 9 votes - 28.13%
    Unapprove their posts - 8 votes - 25.00%
    53.13%

    You have these split. maybe a lot of people don't want to go as far as banning them, but still more than half want something to be done about them.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    Excellent point^
  • buddhabuddha Regular
    edited April 2011
    Nick wrote: »
    May I suggest something in the field of Freedom Of Speech ? , you need to expand a bit totse and include a camera section so all the women here ( 2 I think ?:D out of almost 5000 members :facepalm: ) can have pleasure, by watching all the other male's :fap: their hearts out , towards them.:)

    I expect the new section of Totse to be available before lunch time.


    Thank you and bless you all.:)

    Hold the fuck on, you saying you want a section of men? Jerking it?

    For teh ladies? RIIIIIIIGHT. ;)
  • LuxJigabooLuxJigaboo Regular
    edited April 2011
    Yes, I know being mod of HB is the easiest moderator position on this site, that requires almost no effort on my part, but the only reason I moderate that forum is because I really like it, not to ban, control, or create any standards for content.

    When I asked other moderators, to not send trash to HB, I tried to emphasize that it was only a small request from me that moderators can choose to consider, not some strict standard, and that if a mod was fine with a thread but felt it had no place in there forum they could send it to HB, and all the trash that they really did not like could be sent to NIMF. This is not me creating a standard, and I only said it because we have two forums, HB and NIMF that mods can send threads to, so I thought I should try to differentiate the two. Even that was not for myself, but because in the original HB on totse, there were regulars who felt it should not be a trashcan, and I thought that if anyone else should join totse.info, the forum should become the community within a community that it always was.

    But, I was wrong because no one else joined, and because I would not want my little request to be in the middle any more trouble within the larger conflicts on this site, I will leave the final decision with Dfg as usual. Dfg, you should feel free to set your standards for NIMF and HB, and how threads should be moved, and I will follow them.
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited April 2011
    vozhde wrote: »
    Yes, I know being mod of HB is the easiest moderator position on this site, that requires almost no effort on my part, but the only reason I moderate that forum is because I really like it, not to ban, control, or create any standards for content.

    When I asked other moderators, to not send trash to HB, I tried to emphasize that it was only a small request from me that moderators can choose to consider, not some strict standard, and that if a mod was fine with a thread but felt it had no place in there forum they could send it to HB, and all the trash that they really did not like could be sent to NIMF. This is not me creating a standard, and I only said it because we have two forums, HB and NIMF that mods can send threads to, so I thought I should try to differentiate the two. Even that was not for myself, but because in the original HB on totse, there were regulars who felt it should not be a trashcan, and I thought that if anyone else should join totse.info, the forum should become the community within a community that it always was.

    But, I was wrong because no one else joined, and because I would not want my little request to be in the middle any more trouble within the larger conflicts on this site, I will leave the final decision with Dfg as usual. Dfg, you should feel free to set your standards for NIMF and HB, and how threads should be moved, and I will follow them.

    No problem mate. I was just thinking about some guidelines for HB anyway :).
  • MooseKnuckleMooseKnuckle Regular
    edited April 2011
    nimf prohibits fos :o
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    nimf prohibits fos :o

    How does NIMF prohibit freedom of speech? Nothing is removed from a thread when it is moved there. The threads are not closed when they are moved there. No users are warned or infracted when they are moved there except in the case of flooding which is in the community rules. Are you next going to argue that moving flooding to NIMF is somehow and encroachment on freedom of speech?
  • MooseKnuckleMooseKnuckle Regular
    edited April 2011
    doesn't allow the user to post in the desired section, which doesn't sound like freedom to me. i didn't say shit about flooding, you did.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    doesn't allow the user to post in the desired section, which doesn't sound like freedom to me. i didn't say shit about flooding, you did.

    So by your definition of freedom of speech a user should be able to make a thread about which rifle is better an M16 or an AK47 in Sex and Affection.

    Do you see how silly things would be that way?
  • MooseKnuckleMooseKnuckle Regular
    edited April 2011
    that could be moved to weapons & combat, not nimf. also, i'm sure a mod/admin could assist them to the right section, without making a big deal about it.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    that could be moved to weapons & combat, not nimf. also, i'm sure a mod/admin could assist them to the right section, without making a big deal about it.

    Why does it prohibit free speech if the thread is moved to NIMF vs any other forum so long as no posts are deleted or edited and the thread remains open?
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    I see that opposition has run out of ammo here. So if you really want to do something about real problems with free speech and not some online butt hurt imagined transgression because a conversation was moved to a more appropriate area then read this, get off of your lazy ass, and make a phone call.

    http://www.totse.info/bbs/showthread.php?t=14357
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    Just a little side note here pointing out the irony of fanglekai creating a thread on freedom of speech because a mod moved a thread intact and did not close it when he infracted the Yoda account because he did not like what was being said and then quit when his act suppressing of freedom of speech was over ridden by Dfg.

    Tell me fanglekai, where was your passion to defend the freedom of speech of others back then? Have you learned from your mistakes and are now defending what you once tried to squash?
  • DaGuruDaGuru Mite
    edited April 2011
    I see that opposition has run out of ammo here. So if you really want to do something about real problems with free speech and not some online butt hurt imagined transgression because a conversation was moved to a more appropriate area then read this, get off of your lazy ass, and make a phone call.

    http://www.totse.info/bbs/showthread.php?t=14357

    ELL OH FUCKIN ELL

    You have the AUDACITY to type out the words "imaginary trangression".....in the same post you are prattling on about "oppostion has run out of ammo".

    Tell us Rodent, who/what is the "opposition"????

    Just WTF are they "opposing"?

    Just why DO you continue to maintain some "war" on these boards....a constant "us vs. them" mindset? :confused:

    All of these questions need to be answered, and I wonder if in the middle of your comic book fantasies if you can put any substantial commentary about your "war" you seem to believe is going on here.

    Make a list of these "sides" please, so we can all have your superior wisdom and the rest of us mere peons know just who/what side we should be fighting for. :facepalm:

    Good ole Rodent....can't find any drama or threads to moderate, so he has to start some more by talking about made up boogeymen, and derailing the thread with articles that have no relevance in this discussion in the least.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited April 2011
    ^The pot calls the kettle black.

    I am reading this DaGuru but I don't see anything you have added to the discussion on Freedom of Speech. Did I miss something? Of course this is the type of response we have all come to expect from you. I guess Dfg was wrong when he said, "Maybe he can change".

    P.S. The article has everything to do with freedom of speech which is covered under the 1st Amendment, the only thing that has nothing to do with the topic is your fabricated ranting attack on someone who you can abide or outsmart.
  • DaGuruDaGuru Mite
    edited April 2011
    ^The pot calls the kettle black.

    I am reading this DaGuru but I don't see anything you have added to the discussion on Freedom of Speech. Did I miss something? Of course this is the type of response we have all come to expect from you. I guess Dfg was wrong when he said, "Maybe he can change".

    P.S. The article has everything to do with freedom of speech which is covered under the 1st Amendment, the only thing that has nothing to do with the topic is your fabricated ranting attack on someone who you can abide or outsmart.

    Don't worry Rodent, nobody expected you to back your whimsical tripe putting a finite definition of exactly WHO "the opposition" is. Or just what they are opposing or any of the other Totse Hills 90210 Drama you have made up in your mind.

    As for your article.....the "relevance" really has no bearing on this conversation. That is a discussion about a country's Freedom of Speech, and since Totse.info IS a private entity such things don't exist. Its funny you forget that notion, because when it suits you...you are always apt to point that out...of course when it BENEFITS whatever argument you are in that hour.

    Keep on dropping all those subtle and vague "war" comments all over the boards Rodent. You are doing SO MUCH FOR TOTSE with your made up "sides" and other overly dramatic ramblings.
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