Islam

DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
edited July 2010 in Spurious Generalities
I was hoping some people here with a knowledge of islam could clear some things up for me. Im interested in learning more about the religion overall and any info is greatly appreciated.

First Im wondering where exactly Jesus falls into the picture. From what I know so far it seems the koran basically states that its believed there was a virgin birth but hes not the literal son of god. And he himself never claimed he was. So did he come as sort of a precursor to muhammed and does the koran go into what his disciples heard him say as far as his purpose?

Also what do they believe as far as forgiveness of sins goes how do you atone. Other than that I gain that it says Mohammad was basically had the final revelation of god.

Im interested in serious reply's only please I wanna learn more especially seeing its importance in today's situation.

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  • AnonymousAnonymous Regular
    edited July 2010
    In Islam, Jesus is a prophet and not a Messiah.

    Also, read the Quaran if you're looking to learn something about another religion the best thing to do is to read the religions holy book.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited July 2010
    Anonymous wrote: »
    In Islam, Jesus is a prophet and not a Messiah.

    Also, read the Quaran if you're looking to learn something about another religion the best thing to do is to read the religions holy book.

    Im planning on getting one soon.
  • Big baby jesusBig baby jesus Regular
    edited July 2010
    Islam is not much unlike any other religion. People tend to get hung up on 3-8 violent passages from the Qu'ran that extremists have used to justify terrorist acts. These people forget that the Qu'ran is a book of laws as much as it is a book of faith, in the Central Asian countries where Islam is most widely followed. Please don't cut off a shoplifters hand after you read the Qu'ran and convert.
  • DrakeDrake Acolyte
    edited July 2010
    Im planning on getting one soon.

    Don't pay for one. You can get one for free online (you may have to pay for shipping). I don't have any links, but there were plenty posted in the old free stuff thread years back so I am sure you can find a reliable one.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited July 2010
    Drake wrote: »
    Don't pay for one. You can get one for free online (you may have to pay for shipping). I don't have any links, but there were plenty posted in the old free stuff thread years back so I am sure you can find a reliable one.

    Cool Ill look around they better not send Muslim missionarys if those even exist. I requested a free bible once and bam Mormons at the door:mad::mad:
  • L33tzL33tz Regular
    edited July 2010
    I was hoping some people here with a knowledge of islam could clear some things up for me. Im interested in learning more about the religion overall and any info is greatly appreciated.

    First Im wondering where exactly Jesus falls into the picture. From what I know so far it seems the koran basically states that its believed there was a virgin birth but hes not the literal son of god. And he himself never claimed he was. So did he come as sort of a precursor to muhammed and does the koran go into what his disciples heard him say as far as his purpose?

    Also what do they believe as far as forgiveness of sins goes how do you atone. Other than that I gain that it says Mohammad was basically had the final revelation of god.

    Im interested in serious reply's only please I wanna learn more especially seeing its importance in today's situation.
    Jesus is the Messiah. He is a Messenger and Prophet of God. He will come again one day and will kill the Dajjal(antichrist) when he simply sees Jesus(Isa). But thats more apocalyptic stuff. Also he never died on the cross rather they killed someone who looked like him
    4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them."
    "O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say Of Allah ought but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and the Spirit proceeding From Him: so believe In Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above Having a son. To Him (Allah) Belong all things in the heavens And on earth. And enough Is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. Christ disdaineth no To serve and worship Allah, Nor do the angels, those Nearest (to Allah): Those who disdain His worship and are arrogant, He will gather them all Together unto Himself (Jesus) to (answer)."

    And remember Adam had neither a father nor mother but why is he not the son of God.

    You are born without original sin. When you convert(revert) to Islam all previous sins are forgiven. Also you must not confess your sins to any one but Allah. As opposed to confessing to a preist.

    Also as with Man there are Jinn. Another race of beings Allah has created. We are born from clay while they are born from "smokeless fire" electricity???

    Satan(Iblis) Is also a Jinn and not a Angel, because Angel's have no free will as opposed to Man and Jinn who both have free will. Some Jinn are good some bad. Iblis refused to bow to Adam, when told to claiming he loves God too much to bow to anything but Him. He was cursed for this.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited July 2010
    Very informative and interesting. I was always raised a christian but im alwasy seeking and like to learn other belief systems. Islam is indeed an interesting religion and I hear the fastest growing one. Im gonna get a koran and read into it more. If you have any other info youd like to share im interested. Also does it really preach as the radical muslims say to kill all infidels and force conversions?
  • L33tzL33tz Regular
    edited July 2010
    Very informative and interesting. I was always raised a christian but im alwasy seeking and like to learn other belief systems. Islam is indeed an interesting religion and I hear the fastest growing one. Im gonna get a koran and read into it more. If you have any other info youd like to share im interested. Also does it really preach as the radical muslims say to kill all infidels and force conversions?

    There is no compulsion in religion.
    [SIZE=-1]2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.[/SIZE]

    These are the most common verses people use to try to deface Islam.
    [SIZE=-1]Sura 8.12 "Remember thy lord has inspired the angels with the message. Give firmness to the believers and instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite the fingertips of them."[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Sura 9.5 "When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters whereever you find them."[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Sura 47.4 "When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads. Untill you have made a wide slaughter among them tie up the remaining captives."[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Sura 8 is about a BATTLE - the Battle of Badr - not just some daily affair. A battles take two side to occur. Are you under the impression that while these 'horrid' Muslims were fighting, the enemies were simply standing there like good little peaceful men?[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Sura 47 was revealed during the first year of Hijrah when the Muslims were under *threat of extinction* by invasion from Makkah.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]Sura 9 is interesting. Non-Muslims almost invariably quote verse 5 but leave out verse 4 and 6. Why? Because verse 4 says, "But the treatires are not dissolved with those Pagans with whom you have entered into alliance and who have you subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill your engagements with them to the end of their term: for God Loves the righteous."[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]And verse 6 says, "If one among the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that he may hear the Word of God; and then escort him to where he can be secure."[/SIZE]


    There is this verse which relates to treatment of all people.
    "On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"

    I would like to add something that I find significant, that seems too profound to be coincidental.

    There are 32 mentions of "sea" and 13 mentions of "land" in the Koran.

    get the ratios and you see that

    land is [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]28.8888888889[/FONT]%
    and sea is 71.1111111111%

    sound familiar?

    There are more so called scientific miracles in the Koran. You can find youtube videos on them and such.
    Here is a page on the subject. http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Science/scientists.html

    Islam is a religion of peace. I find it very logical and straightforward.

    Here is a decent source of information.
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/askme.htm
    Some of this is his interpretation take it as you will.


    Also I find this to be significant. You know the all seeing eye on the back of the dollar bill and how it is suppose to represent the eye of god? well there is a hadith that deals with this.
    Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)"

    Also, I am in to Sufi mysticism, you may want to look into that.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited July 2010
    Thanks for the info. I got a Qur'an and have been reading it and I gotta say its not at all like what some make it out to be. Its very interesting stuff and it seems like alot of people both on the radical Muslim and enemy's of Islam take what it says out of the context of the times to justify there cause. Id recommend people read it if for no other reason then its extreme importance in todays world.
  • Big baby jesusBig baby jesus Regular
    edited July 2010
    www.convertingtoislam.com

    some irony for the kids at home.
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