Net Neutrality

KatzenklavierKatzenklavier Regular
edited September 2010 in Tech & Games
Google recently teamed up with verizon. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-aaron/google-verizon-pact-it-ge_b_676194.html

The latest thing ISPs are thinking about is selling Internet packages.
The problem is that the cheapest packages may only include very limited access to a thousand or so websites that the companies deem useful. The webmasters effectively pay a extra to allow users to access their sites. Everything else will get filtered or severely bandwidth crippled.

This means that many personal and small websites will get excluded from a large user base, because they can't afford the charges.

I expect the internet to turn into this in the near future, and websites like totse will be banished.
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Comments

  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited August 2010
    WTF!! Paying to go on certain websites? Oh fuck if they do this I will be so pissed. It'll be the end of free wifi too I bet. Coffee shops aren't going to drop shittons more money for people to get random sites. Why would this be a good idea? How would I get porn? $5 for international sites??? They'd better not do this.

    Edit: I went and read the article. I misunderstood what the deal was, but it's pretty fucking bad. Charging sites for them to receive preferential treatment will pretty much destroy all but the biggest ones. It's pretty fucked. I signed the savetheinternet.com petition.
  • KatzenklavierKatzenklavier Regular
    edited August 2010
    Likely porn would cost extra. I can't believe you didn't know about this. It'll be the end of personal websites, community forums, and most importantly TOTSE.

    Last year the FCC tried to reclassify the internet as a common service to prevent this and enforce net neutrality, but they failed. :(
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited August 2010
    Likely porn would cost extra. I can't believe you didn't know about this. It'll be the end of personal websites, community forums, and most importantly TOTSE.

    Last year the FCC tried to reclassify the internet as a common service to prevent this and enforce net neutrality, but they failed. :(

    I was in grad school for 2 years. I'm still not up to speed on a lot of things. The last I heard about net neutrality was probably 3 years ago. I didn't know this was an issue now.
  • KatzenklavierKatzenklavier Regular
    edited August 2010
    It's an issue that nobody gives a damn about until it's too late, just like the asian carp. :mad:
  • CaesarCaesar Regular
    edited August 2010
    I guess its time to start stocking up on articles and e-books :(
  • edited August 2010
    Oh dear fucking god, that's an outrageous idea! I seriously hope nothing like that comes into play anytime soon... It's bullshit.

    Sign the petition - http://savetheinternet.com/fcc-comments
  • KatzenklavierKatzenklavier Regular
    edited August 2010
    Lol a petition? Like that'll stop it.

    This is impending and will happen. Now we can only pray that consumers will bitch so much that it goes back to the way it was. That won't happen though, as people are just going to suck it up and pay more like the pansies that they are.

    Still, it gives the option of censorship to ISPs. They can cripple the bandwidth of any site they don't like.
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited August 2010
    If they make people pay for porn, they will bitch.
  • MayberryMayberry Regular
    edited August 2010
    Great, the one place where you can still find freedom of expression is going to be fucked. I hope this is just a big troll joke. What will happen to &T if it happens?
  • AmieAmie Regular
    edited August 2010
    I'm sure glad I'm not in the US right now. If google tries that here, I'll become political and make sure it never happens. And if I can't, I'll move. Seriously, when they start crippling freedom of speech, there's no reason not to move. It's a major step towards dictatorship.

    Can't you guys go talk to your politicians? How about the first amendment? Freedom of speech? Or freedom of press? Arn't those applicable to this case? I mean, if you can get enough people together (and why wouldn't you be able to, THE INTERNET IS AT STAKE), I'm sure you can raise the money to get a couple good pro free-speech lawyers to sue google and verizon over this.

    Don't sit idly by while your freedoms are taken away, guys. Do something, and do it NOW dammit! Most of you are students, get the rest of the US's students together and do something about it! Peaceful marches, flyers, pettitions, get everyone you know to write a letter to every politician in your state, wether you like 'em or not. Ask your parents and grandparents how they organised student-protests in their days. I'm serious, you can do something about it, but you have to ACT and do it NOW. One petition won't do shit, but make sure every politician's desk is filled with letters every day and there are thousands of petitions with hundreds of thousands of signatures in each state and it will make a difference.

    Get your student's council involved. Tell that bunch of spoiled brats and geeks that now's their time to act. Or get in the student's council yourself, school's just starting.
  • TLVTLV Regular
    edited August 2010
    Old news, won't happen. There's a bill somewhere in congress that will make it illegal to do things like that.(Though the TV still gets away with that shit.)
  • KatzenklavierKatzenklavier Regular
    edited August 2010
    FTR Amie, Europe is likely to do this first. France is already taking the first steps.
  • McSkluvinMcSkluvin Regular
    edited August 2010
    Let's say this does happen, and I'm not exactly sure how this stuff works, but wouldn't all of the angry people just get together and make their own ISP's that would be cheap or free, and would allow people to access whatever sites they wanted? I'm sure it would take a lot of resources, but I don't think everyone would just sit by and let the internet basically die like that.

    Imagine what all the 4Channers would do if none of them could access their site because it's deemed "unimportant". Lawl it would be a big shitfest......
  • MayberryMayberry Regular
    edited August 2010
    McSkluvin wrote: »
    Let's say this does happen, and I'm not exactly sure how this stuff works, but wouldn't all of the angry people just get together and make their own ISP's that would be cheap or free, and would allow people to access whatever sites they wanted? I'm sure it would take a lot of resources, but I don't think everyone would just sit by and let the internet basically die like that.

    Imagine what all the 4Channers would do if none of them could access their site because it's deemed "unimportant". Lawl it would be a big shitfest......

    In addition to a War on Drugs, there will be a War on Communications.
  • McSkluvinMcSkluvin Regular
    edited August 2010
    Mayberry wrote: »
    In addition to a War on Drugs, there will be a War on Communications.

    Terrorists win!


    :o

    Seriously though, they can't just take away people's communications and expect them to sit idly by.
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited August 2010
    The problem is people can't do shit. Protests don't accomplish shit unless tonsssss of people are in on it. Unless politicians fear they'll not be reelected due to casting unfavorable votes, they won't do anything to hurt big business. The people in power are the only ones who can really do anything. Most people don't know what net neutrality is. They want their internet the way it is. If they actually do change it, I think most people would raise hell about it. No one is going to get mad until they start fucking around with the way things are now.

    Student protests aren't going to really do anything. No one cares about that. Writing letters to politicians would work if thousands of people did it and if the politicians actually look at them. Getting the word out is the most important thing. If people are educated on the issue, they'll see why this is a bad thing. You have to stress that they're going to be losing things they already have. When people see they're going to lose stuff, they get pissy.
  • AmieAmie Regular
    edited September 2010
    FTR Amie, Europe is likely to do this first. France is already taking the first steps.

    Yeah, well, there are a lot of things the French do which the rest of Europe doesn't do ... And Sarkozy is gonna lose the next elections, so that'll mean a lot of change in France. Hopefully they put somebody with half a brain in power.

    And I'm serious. If this happens here and we can't stop it, I'm moving.
  • StephenPBarrettStephenPBarrett Adviser
    edited September 2010
    If this happens I will most definitely become a neo-terrorist. I'll be causing rural and urban destruction and vandalism all in the name of the internet. Its not the best thing in the world but damn it's great for learning and communicating. If this happens I WILL "molotov everything".
  • edited September 2010
    We could put together a TOTSE movement, vandalizing, molotov(ing) everything, and allsorts.
  • McSkluvinMcSkluvin Regular
    edited September 2010
    trx100 wrote: »
    We could put together a TOTSE movement, vandalizing, molotov(ing) everything, and allsorts.

    But how could we do that without internet? :(
  • edited September 2010
    I dunno... Cup and string?
  • KatzenklavierKatzenklavier Regular
    edited September 2010
    McSkluvin wrote: »
    But how could we do that without internet? :(

    Western union telegrams?

    Edit; aparently they stopped sending telegram in 2006. :(
  • KatzenklavierKatzenklavier Regular
    edited September 2010
    American Telephone and Telegraph is going at it now...

    http://newsblaze.com/story/20100912100901zzzz.nb/topstory.html
  • KatzenklavierKatzenklavier Regular
    edited September 2010
    Hey, the government hasn't given up yet! At least they're doing something right.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/posttech/2010/09/house_net_neutrality_bill_face.html

    Yay!
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