Alright, I was kinda working on the theme and thinking of ways to get it right and I kinda hit a big wall. The thing is, I can't use the old totse slogan and stuff. The reason being simple. This isn't Totse nor it's a replica of Totse. In a way it's a home for Totseans to meet and expand.
I need good suggestion and tons of fucking feedback. Again, WE'RE NOT CHANGING TOTSE, we're just making totse.info stand on it's own and follow the legacy created by Totse.com and make a name for itself.
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^This.
Hopefully, I will be fresh tommorrow and I will have some sort of layout to work with. This server is awesome. [THANKS VINEMAN AND ABRN]
Posting in support of this.
These are the exact same words that Zok used to describe zoklet.
Users came to zoklet expecting a totse replacement, and when zok said that this would not be so, users were disappointed. However the difference between Zoklet and us it that zoklet was Zok's personal website, so he had the right to do what he did. Our site is called totse.info.
Would it be so difficult for you to simply give users what they want? Zok's decision about his website was the one thing that brought users to totse.info, and now you are just going to throw away the greatest opportunity that you have?
And for what? Some vague principle?
Sometimes the easiest path is the most effective, for example you remember how we used facebook, reddit, and the marketing forum for quick growth instead of slow content/principle based growth? Well, this is similar. Just take the easy path and say that we are totse.com. This will result in quick success/growth. Why attempt to build a website from the ground when Jeff has done all of the work for us?
Jeff Hunter was a great man, but I doubt that he is about to jump from the shadows full of rage and bite a chunk out our ass cheeks. We have already infringed upon his copyright.
We should learn from zoklet’s mistakes and not repeat them:
Claim to not be totse and fail.
Claim to be totse and succeed.
Just be a bold leader and admit to the world that we want to become totse.com. What do we have to fear? Perhaps some idiots will say that we can never be what totse was. So what? Tell them to fuck off.
Do not be fooled by users who claim that letting totse die is the best way to honor it. These people only wish to see our community fail.
I also oppose any form of administrative elitism. It does not matter if this community is led by Jeff Hunter, Zok, acidmelt, Hellish, or Dfg. Anyone who is willing to stay true to Jeff’s original principle and gives users freedom of speech without any interference should have the right to lay claim to totse.com.
I have heard the argument on totse and zoklet that what made totse great was the community and not the website itself.
On the surface this idea sounds very wise and good, but take a closer look at its results:
On zoklet, this idea has allowed Zok and the administration to get rid of freedom of speech by claiming that totse principles were not important as long as they had the same totse community and content.
I do not think that totse was originally about crime, drugs, sex, murder, niggers, and child porn. It was simply about freedom of speech and exchange of information. The awesome community that we associate with totse was simply a byproduct.
Because the totse community was (and still is) so great, we tend to be distracted by the byproduct, and forget that principles shaped the community, not the other way around.
The temple made the electron.
What killed zoklet wasn't a different name or slogan it was power hungry mods and a cunt named wires.
I think your view is accurate, but that is change at its most basic level. There are some people that try to extend this idea of change to the community itself. I only wish to urge users to be cautious after what happened to zoklet.
The reason that mods and wires can abuse their powers is because zoklet does not have any firm principles that guarantee freedom of speech.
Slogans are clever witty ideas that give insight into our principles. That is why I included principles as part of this discussion.
EDIT: Dfg asked for mission statement advice, and that is what I gave.
"Cooked Data for Cooked Nerves"
:hai:
As much we would love this to be totse.com, we can't pull that off atm. Mostly because we don't have totse.com domain. If we have it then we will be totse.com not info.Don't get me wrong I don't want to change things but if the world wants see something new we have to update few things.We can use Totse legacy and built something but we don't have old members and most of the users won't join up.
If this was totse.com I wouldn't be worried about these things. Users come here to get a taste of Totse.com and try to recreate it as best as possible. Anyone can make a clone, making a successful successor is difficult. Totse.info needs to be called the successor of Totse.com, so when the times comes Jeff at least tries to help us out.
I am not worried about copyright BS. It takes few ticks here and there and the problem goes away. We have an opportunity to build something amazing and we can.
Again, like I said before I created this thread to get some valuable feedback. I want every user to be part of totse and I want everyone to be on the same page.
ATM we're not totse.com because we don't have the domain. Without a domain wiki won't give a shit etc. So, just to keep ourselves running and at the same time expand we're going to use a new slogan with a modified mission statement that does not filter us out and makes it easier for everyone to understand the purpose of this website.
Oh btw whatever gets put up will get approval from you guys . You're all part of totse and you're all administrators IMO.
But I still think "Read, Know, Do" should be the mission statement for any Totse.com legacy site. In the end, that's what it's all about IMO. Totse is not a social network. It's an information site built around the principles of freedom of information and freedom of speech.
TL/DR: Please keep "Read, Know, Do" somewhere, because IMO that's what &t is all about.
It would be foolish to replace that. I am just hunting for new slogans and banners and ideas to kick off totse.info and bring it to the worlds attention.
This makes more sense. Update the mission statement for this century and leave the slogan as is. We don't need to reference the old totse because we are totse. Using the old slogan makes us totse instead of trying to be totse.
Makes sense to me.
"Read * Know * Do"
"The Temple of the Screaming Electron"
"Raw Data for Raw Nerves"
There is no reason to not have these anymore, we could just add a new one? I was actually just working on the script that randomly picks a different advertisement banner on each page click too :hai: It could work for the main logo too.
As for an slogan, it was originally a typo but how about; "freedom to choose your freedom"
Seems pretty good to me.
Maybe more in the lines of "information here will impact your views and thought"
Comes across as bad for the site's disclaimer IMO.
Use the old comedic disclaimer list, you know the one with things saying
* Batteries not included
* Do not sign below this line
etc.
I'll try and get hold of that too.
^This,
Well this is a start .
Oh I need a good, SOLID FUCKING DISCLAIMER for the CMS and the forums.
Short and concise would be preferred but I don't mind have a page dedicated to discalimers [legal ones]. I can even include one in the terms and conditions of the forums and cms.
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Abridgement to Privacy Policy -- Right to Monitor
Totse reserves several rights to retain, monitor, modify, extract, distribute, redistribute, and remove any content posted to the site. The right to monitor includes, but is not limitied to: posts, comments, blogs, messages, ratings, chatrooms, user agent, IP, referrer, requests, and other submissions to the site whether voluntary or involuntary.
These procedures allow the best interests of Totse to be attained through compentent analysis of documents and information exchanged on the site.
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