Slogan, Mission Statement the works.

Dfg · November 2010

Alright, I was kinda working on the theme and thinking of ways to get it right and I kinda hit a big wall. The thing is, I can't use the old totse slogan and stuff. The reason being simple. This isn't Totse nor it's a replica of Totse. In a way it's a home for Totseans to meet and expand.

I need good suggestion and tons of fucking feedback. Again, WE'RE NOT CHANGING TOTSE, we're just making totse.info stand on it's own and follow the legacy created by Totse.com and make a name for itself.

blindbat · November 2010

. TOTSE.INFO know your shit READ*KNOW*DO - sex , drugs , and bad ideas.

Dysgraphia · November 2010

It's sooo good to hear it!!

Dfg · November 2010

:mad:ijuana wrote: »

I really like abrn's idea of New Temple, Same Electron.

^This.

Unknown · November 2010

Yeah, that sounds pretty cool. I really don't mind what it says, its the content which counts.

Dfg · November 2010

Okay, I will work on this later. It's 3am and I need some quality sleep. It was a bitch moving data and partitioning old and new HDD. I am still moving data back forth. Might take some time

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Hopefully, I will be fresh tommorrow and I will have some sort of layout to work with. This server is awesome. [THANKS VINEMAN AND ABRN]

thewanderer · November 2010

:mad:ijuana wrote: »

I really like abrn's idea of New Temple, Same Electron.

Posting in support of this.

LuxJigaboo · November 2010

I do not like being the one who must say this, but it must be done.....:(

Dfg wrote: »

This isn't Totse nor it's a replica of Totse. In a way it's a home for Totseans to meet and expand.

These are the exact same words that Zok used to describe zoklet.

Users came to zoklet expecting a totse replacement, and when zok said that this would not be so, users were disappointed. However the difference between Zoklet and us it that zoklet was Zok's personal website, so he had the right to do what he did. Our site is called totse.info.

Would it be so difficult for you to simply give users what they want? Zok's decision about his website was the one thing that brought users to totse.info, and now you are just going to throw away the greatest opportunity that you have?

And for what? Some vague principle?

Sometimes the easiest path is the most effective, for example you remember how we used facebook, reddit, and the marketing forum for quick growth instead of slow content/principle based growth? Well, this is similar. Just take the easy path and say that we are totse.com. This will result in quick success/growth. Why attempt to build a website from the ground when Jeff has done all of the work for us?

Jeff Hunter was a great man, but I doubt that he is about to jump from the shadows full of rage and bite a chunk out our ass cheeks. We have already infringed upon his copyright.

We should learn from zoklet’s mistakes and not repeat them:

Claim to not be totse and fail.

Claim to be totse and succeed.

Just be a bold leader and admit to the world that we want to become totse.com. What do we have to fear? Perhaps some idiots will say that we can never be what totse was. So what? Tell them to fuck off.

Do not be fooled by users who claim that letting totse die is the best way to honor it. These people only wish to see our community fail.

I also oppose any form of administrative elitism. It does not matter if this community is led by Jeff Hunter, Zok, acidmelt, Hellish, or Dfg. Anyone who is willing to stay true to Jeff’s original principle and gives users freedom of speech without any interference should have the right to lay claim to totse.com.

LuxJigaboo · November 2010

:mad:ijuana wrote: »

I really like abrn's idea of New Temple, Same Electron.

trx100 wrote: »

Yeah, that sounds pretty cool. I really don't mind what it says, its the content which counts.

I have heard the argument on totse and zoklet that what made totse great was the community and not the website itself.

On the surface this idea sounds very wise and good, but take a closer look at its results:

On zoklet, this idea has allowed Zok and the administration to get rid of freedom of speech by claiming that totse principles were not important as long as they had the same totse community and content.

I do not think that totse was originally about crime, drugs, sex, murder, niggers, and child porn. It was simply about freedom of speech and exchange of information. The awesome community that we associate with totse was simply a byproduct.

Because the totse community was (and still is) so great, we tend to be distracted by the byproduct, and forget that principles shaped the community, not the other way around.

The temple made the electron.

LuxJigaboo · November 2010

Also Dfg, I realize that I may have been critical of certain things in the past few days. This is not because I am upset. I think that overall, you have been working hard and have done a good job, it is just that these early periods are the main formative periods of the website, and I want to see totse.info grow and succeed in becoming a home to all totseans.

thewanderer · November 2010

The way I look at it is this is the old totse moving forward. It's a different website (new temple), but it's still totse (same electron).

DirtySanchez · November 2010

vozhde wrote: »

Also Dfg, I realize that I may have been critical of certain things in the past few days. This is not because I am upset. I think that overall, you have been working hard and have done a good job, it is just that these early periods are the main formative periods of the website, and I want to see totse.info grow and succeed in becoming a home to all totseans.

What killed zoklet wasn't a different name or slogan it was power hungry mods and a cunt named wires.

LuxJigaboo · November 2010

thewanderer wrote: »

The way I look at it is this is the old totse moving forward. It's a different website (new temple), but it's still totse (same electron).

I think your view is accurate, but that is change at its most basic level. There are some people that try to extend this idea of change to the community itself. I only wish to urge users to be cautious after what happened to zoklet.

Gary Oak · November 2010

I like new totse same electron thing.

LuxJigaboo · November 2010

DirtySanchez wrote: »

What killed zoklet wasn't a different name or slogan it was power hungry mods and a cunt named wires.

The reason that mods and wires can abuse their powers is because zoklet does not have any firm principles that guarantee freedom of speech.

Slogans are clever witty ideas that give insight into our principles. That is why I included principles as part of this discussion.

EDIT: Dfg asked for mission statement advice, and that is what I gave.

thewanderer · November 2010

I read this on the totse FAQ a long time ago and years later, it's still what I think of every time I see a discussion about what totse is supposed to be.

Q: What is TOTSE all about, anyway?

A: A lot of people have some weird idea that this web site is a Bad Place, a place for hackers, software pirates, and anarchists. The reason that they think this is that there are informational text files on here about hacking, piracy, and anarchy.

However, there are also text files on here that discuss politics; democratic, right wing, left wing, libertarian, communist, and everything in between, but this is not a political web site.

There are files on here that discuss Jesus Christ, Muhammed, Buddha, Crowley, John Smith, and "Bob", but this is not a religious web site.

There are files full of short stories, science fiction, humorous articles, and great works of literature, but this is not a literary web site.

There are files with information on rocketry, radio broadcasting, chemistry, electronics, genetics, and computers, but this is not a technical web site.

This web site is about INFORMATION. All sorts and all viewpoints. Some of the information you will agree with, some you will find shocking, and some you will probably disagree with violently. That is the whole point. In this society we go to schools where there is one right answer: The Teacher's. There is one acceptable version of events: The Television's. There is only one acceptable occupation: The pursuit of money. There is only one political choice to make: The Status Quo.

On this web site you are expected to make decisions all by yourself. You get to decide who and what to agree with, and why. You get to hear new viewpoints that you may have never heard before. On this web site people exist without age, without skin color, without gender, without clothes, without nationality, without any of the visual cues we usually use to discredit or ignore people who are unlike ourselves. All of these things are stripped away and the ideas themselves are laid bare.

You will change. You will transform. You will learn. You will disagree.

You will enjoy it.

Mayberry · November 2010

You don't have to be one thing to follow its ideals. Just because one site fucked it up doesn't mean all sites will.

StephenPBarrett · November 2010

I agree with the "New Temple, Same Electron" idea.

Skittles · November 2010

I'm loving the "New Temple, Same Electron" idea. Shows that we acknowledge we're not the old Totse, but rather a reincarnation :thumbsup:

"Cooked Data for Cooked Nerves"

:hai:

Mayberry · November 2010

Best slogan ever:

Dfg · November 2010

vozhde wrote: »

I do not like being the one who must say this, but it must be done.....:(

These are the exact same words that Zok used to describe zoklet.

Users came to zoklet expecting a totse replacement, and when zok said that this would not be so, users were disappointed. However the difference between Zoklet and us it that zoklet was Zok's personal website, so he had the right to do what he did. Our site is called totse.info.

Would it be so difficult for you to simply give users what they want? Zok's decision about his website was the one thing that brought users to totse.info, and now you are just going to throw away the greatest opportunity that you have?

And for what? Some vague principle?

Sometimes the easiest path is the most effective, for example you remember how we used facebook, reddit, and the marketing forum for quick growth instead of slow content/principle based growth? Well, this is similar. Just take the easy path and say that we are totse.com. This will result in quick success/growth. Why attempt to build a website from the ground when Jeff has done all of the work for us?

Jeff Hunter was a great man, but I doubt that he is about to jump from the shadows full of rage and bite a chunk out our ass cheeks. We have already infringed upon his copyright.

We should learn from zoklet’s mistakes and not repeat them:

Claim to not be totse and fail.

Claim to be totse and succeed.

Just be a bold leader and admit to the world that we want to become totse.com. What do we have to fear? Perhaps some idiots will say that we can never be what totse was. So what? Tell them to fuck off.

Do not be fooled by users who claim that letting totse die is the best way to honor it. These people only wish to see our community fail.

I also oppose any form of administrative elitism. It does not matter if this community is led by Jeff Hunter, Zok, acidmelt, Hellish, or Dfg. Anyone who is willing to stay true to Jeff’s original principle and gives users freedom of speech without any interference should have the right to lay claim to totse.com.

As much we would love this to be totse.com, we can't pull that off atm. Mostly because we don't have totse.com domain. If we have it then we will be totse.com not info.Don't get me wrong I don't want to change things but if the world wants see something new we have to update few things.We can use Totse legacy and built something but we don't have old members and most of the users won't join up.

If this was totse.com I wouldn't be worried about these things. Users come here to get a taste of Totse.com and try to recreate it as best as possible. Anyone can make a clone, making a successful successor is difficult. Totse.info needs to be called the successor of Totse.com, so when the times comes Jeff at least tries to help us out.

I am not worried about copyright BS. It takes few ticks here and there and the problem goes away. We have an opportunity to build something amazing and we can.

Again, like I said before I created this thread to get some valuable feedback. I want every user to be part of totse and I want everyone to be on the same page.

ATM we're not totse.com because we don't have the domain. Without a domain wiki won't give a shit etc. So, just to keep ourselves running and at the same time expand we're going to use a new slogan with a modified mission statement that does not filter us out and makes it easier for everyone to understand the purpose of this website.

Oh btw whatever gets put up will get approval from you guys

. You're all part of totse and you're all administrators IMO.

Amie · November 2010

I like the "New temple, same elektron".

But I still think "Read, Know, Do" should be the mission statement for any Totse.com legacy site. In the end, that's what it's all about IMO. Totse is not a social network. It's an information site built around the principles of freedom of information and freedom of speech.

TL/DR: Please keep "Read, Know, Do" somewhere, because IMO that's what &t is all about.

Dfg · November 2010

Amie wrote: »

I like the "New temple, same elektron".

But I still think "Read, Know, Do" should be the mission statement for any Totse.com legacy site. In the end, that's what it's all about IMO. Totse is not a social network. It's an information site built around the principles of freedom of information and freedom of speech.

TL/DR: Please keep "Read, Know, Do" somewhere, because IMO that's what &t is all about.

It would be foolish to replace that. I am just hunting for new slogans and banners and ideas to kick off totse.info and bring it to the worlds attention.

Unknown · November 2010

We should have a poll including these proposed ideas to see what everyone likes.

Skittles · November 2010

I'd say poast-bortem would be pretty good at writing a mission statement. He has a way with words

Dfg · November 2010

^lol, yeah I agree

Katzenklavier · November 2010

"You gonna get raped"

fanglekai · November 2010

I don't want a new slogan. Use the old one. Read * Know * Do. That's what totse was: freedom of information and doing something with it. Saying "new temple" is stupid. We ARE totse. That's it. There is no new temple.

Unknown · November 2010

Why don't we just keep the slogan, maybe improve the mission statement a little?

fanglekai · November 2010

trx100 wrote: »

Why don't we just keep the slogan, maybe improve the mission statement a little?

This makes more sense. Update the mission statement for this century and leave the slogan as is. We don't need to reference the old totse because we are totse. Using the old slogan makes us totse instead of trying to be totse.

thewanderer · November 2010

fanglekai wrote: »

This makes more sense. Update the mission statement for this century and leave the slogan as is. We don't need to reference the old totse because we are totse. Using the old slogan makes us totse instead of trying to be totse.

Makes sense to me.

Slartibartfast · November 2010

I am having a go at writing the mission statement. Will post it here.

Skittles · November 2010

There were a few slogans remember? The main logo used to cycle between three.

"Read * Know * Do"

"The Temple of the Screaming Electron"

"Raw Data for Raw Nerves"

There is no reason to not have these anymore, we could just add a new one? I was actually just working on the script that randomly picks a different advertisement banner on each page click too :hai: It could work for the main logo too.

Katzenklavier · November 2010

As far as I know there are no differences between the yellow and white toroid cores.

Slartibartfast · November 2010

OK This is what i came up with for a mission statement, I'll probably tighten it up again later:

As for an slogan, it was originally a typo but how about; "freedom to choose your freedom"

Totse.info is a site dedicated to your freedom. It is a meeting place for both idle discussion and serious learning.

Through totse, people are able to meet and share information from all over the world.
Through the totse community, you will be exposed to shocking, disturbing and often insighful views and content. We do not aim to filter or censor, nor do we go out of our way to host sensationalist material. We give you the freedom to choose your freedom.

totse is a place for all people, anyone is able to join and contribute regardless of political affiliations, colour, gender, race or religion.
There are no restrictions on joining, there are no restrictions on debate.

totse is founded on the belief that the individual should have the ability to make informed decisions. The ideas you will encounter on this website range from insane all the way to genius, often they are both or neither.

Some of the stuff here will kill you, some of it will make you a better person.
It's up to you to find out. It's up to you to discuss.
That's the point.

DirtySanchez · November 2010

Slartibartfast wrote: »

OK This is what i came up with for a mission statement, I'll probably tighten it up again later:

Seems pretty good to me.

LMS · November 2010

..."some of the stuff will kill you".....that comes across lame, IMO.

Maybe more in the lines of "information here will impact your views and thought"

thewanderer · November 2010

LMS wrote: »

..."some of the stuff will kill you".....that comes across lame, IMO.

Comes across as bad for the site's disclaimer IMO.

Negrophobe · November 2010

Just use totse's old mission statement and a bit more onto it about this being a continuation- give credit where it's due. The one on the front page of the 1998 web archive was very clear, to the point and descriptive. It's a shame I can't get a hold of that page archive. I'll do what I can to find it somehow.

Use the old comedic disclaimer list, you know the one with things saying
* Batteries not included
* Do not sign below this line

etc.

I'll try and get hold of that too.

Dfg · November 2010

Slartibartfast wrote: »

OK This is what i came up with for a mission statement, I'll probably tighten it up again later:

Totse.info is a site dedicated to your freedom. It is a meeting place for both idle discussion and serious learning.

Through totse, people are able to meet and share information from all over the world.
Through the totse community, you will be exposed to shocking, disturbing and often insighful views and content. We do not aim to filter or censor, nor do we go out of our way to host sensationalist material. We give you the freedom to choose your freedom.

totse is a place for all people, anyone is able to join and contribute regardless of political affiliations, colour, gender, race or religion.
There are no restrictions on joining, there are no restrictions on debate.

totse is founded on the belief that the individual should have the ability to make informed decisions. The ideas you will encounter on this website range from insane all the way to genius, often they are both or neither.

Some of the stuff here will kill you, some of it will make you a better person.
It's up to you to find out. It's up to you to discuss.
That's the point.

As for an slogan, it was originally a typo but how about; "freedom to choose your freedom"

^This,

Well this is a start

.

Oh I need a good, SOLID FUCKING DISCLAIMER for the CMS and the forums.
Short and concise would be preferred but I don't mind have a page dedicated to discalimers [legal ones]. I can even include one in the terms and conditions of the forums and cms.

fanglekai · November 2010

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^much better!

Dfg · November 2010

Dfg wrote: »

^much better!

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Abridgement to Privacy Policy -- Right to Monitor
Totse reserves several rights to retain, monitor, modify, extract, distribute, redistribute, and remove any content posted to the site. The right to monitor includes, but is not limitied to: posts, comments, blogs, messages, ratings, chatrooms, user agent, IP, referrer, requests, and other submissions to the site whether voluntary or involuntary.

These procedures allow the best interests of Totse to be attained through compentent analysis of documents and information exchanged on the site.
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Mayberry · November 2010

Good stuff, although a few things I quickly glanced at might need some alteration including "company" and "United States"

Also,

Dfg · November 2010

It's a copy pasta from the current Vbull conditions.

fanglekai · November 2010

Win.

Slogan, Mission Statement the works.

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