We now have more information from the interview Trump gave for the book.
Trump told Karl that he does not dispute the report he called Pence a p*ssy for not stopping the election steal.
During the rally on January 4, Trump said, “I hope Mike Pence comes through for us. He’s a great guy. Plus, if he doesn’t come, though, I won’t like him quite as much.”
Karl said, “It had been reported back in January by The New York Times that Trump even pressured Pence on the morning of January 6 with a crude phone call. When I interviewed Trump for Betrayal, I asked him about that.”
Karl asked Trump, “There was a report, excuse my language, it’s not mine it was in the report, that you talked to him that morning and you said, ‘You can be a patriot or you can be a pussy.’ Did you really say that, or is that an incorrect?”
Trump said, “I wouldn’t dispute it.”
Karl said, “Really?”
Trump reiterated, “I wouldn’t dispute it.”
He also dropped this bombshell.
He called out Pence for what he said was a “tragic mistake.”
Trump told Karl that he thinks he would still be in the White House if Pence followed the memo given to him.
“He could have — well, the people were very angry,” Trump said. “If you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress? How can you do that?” Trump said.
Asked by Karl if, had Pence done as Trump wanted, Trump would still be in the White House, Trump replied, “I think we would have won — yeah.”
Trump also couldn’t say if he would ever forgive Pence for certifying the election — a rare act of dissent from an otherwise loyal vice president.
“I don’t know,” Trump said. “Because I picked him. I like him, I still like him, but I don’t know that I can forgive him.”
And asked by Karl if Pence was on his shortlist for vice president should Trump run again in 2024, Trump wouldn’t say.
“He did the wrong thing,” Trump said of Pence. “A very nice man. I like him a lot. I like his family so much. But … it was a tragic mistake.”