Building a sustainable community.
As not to derail sarahs thread......
Animus and I have been pm'ing, and figured I would make this public, and get some more people in this discussion, I've been meaning to make this thread a few days ago.
I will answer your questions in the next post in a few, kids are going nuts at the moment.
Animus and I have been pm'ing, and figured I would make this public, and get some more people in this discussion, I've been meaning to make this thread a few days ago.
Animus wrote:I want to start my own secluded community out in the wilderness that works entirely independently of modern society. This is not to say we won't have modern technology- electricity and the like will be provided via solar panels, and I intend for the houses to be built mostly underground.
buddha wrote:Hey how's it going? Regarding this post, what kind of plans you got? I'm just asking because we are shopping for land as we speak, likely in MO. Kind of had a similar idea, and lived at a couple places where they attempted to do this. I will probably be camping out there for a few months during this winter, clearing some land to build on and just generally hanging out and enjoying the wilderness. Always nice to have an extra hand. Was actually planning on making a thread about this yesterday just been busy.
Animus wrote:Well, essentially I'm planning to experiment with it. I've been reading a few books on underground architecture and related material. I'm actually unsure of if I want to buy land, that's the part that I have no idea what I'm doing, as I haven't looked into it. In the places where I'm considering making this community, the entire place is forest, most of it completely untraveled. If you were to hike for a couple days in one direction, I'm sufficiently convinced that nobody would ever find you, let alone if your structures were built underground. I'm in Southern Ontario right now. How did living in those other places go? I'm not sure about leaving to do it now, as it is I'm 19 and have fuck all in the way of money, or a place to live, or a car. I'm not going to lie though, it is something I would definitely like to try. Again, how did your other experiences work out?
buddha wrote:Mind if we take this public and I use these PM's to make a thread?
Animus wrote:Not at all, I'll pm the thread to Chupalo.
I will answer your questions in the next post in a few, kids are going nuts at the moment.
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This I can help you with, what would you like to know?
Where are you considering? You really don't want to be TOO far from anything.
The stories. http://www.totse.info/bbs/showthread.php/15656-How-not-to-run-a-farm.?p=185915
These guys were both trying to start up communities.
Well have you checked out http://www.ic.org/ ? Might find a community to chill at for a while, and get some more ideas about how things work.
Also you can try WWOOOFing, people will give you room and board for a few hours work a day.
And I am looking for someone, mainly just company and to watch my back (working with chainsaws and shit in the middle of no where by yourself isn't a great idea), in November most likely.
Really you don't need anything to do this. You can either find a community to join that shares the same ideals you do, or even better is to find one just starting, everyone could use an extra hand, and teach you as you go.
How much are you paying for yours? How much land is it?
I was thinking British Columbia, or further South, along the West Coast of the U.S., as solar power in B.C. seems to be sweet fuck all. I was thinking around a 2 day hike through wilderness to get to my encampment.
I'll definitely be looking into all of this. Thanks for the help.
As well, do you have any experience with underground structures?
The price varies depending on the topography, water, location, timber, all kinds of things.
A lot of countries will let non-citizens buy land, or at least give you a REALLY long lease.
I will probably either get something so shitty it will be like $2500 outright or something a lot better and end up with 10 years of payments @ between $150 - $300 a month.
I am looking at everything between 5-20 acres, seems to be the best for what we can afford.
West coast is a bad idea, you need to find one of the counties that doesn't have building codes and outrageous taxes and shit, land is also suoper expensive in the west caost, look in states like MO, WY, CO, TN.
2 day hike in also means a 2 day hike out if you need anything or anything happens.
Not completely underground, but half buried. Got a lot of knowledge and ideas though.
Yeah, see, I don't necessarily mean along the coast or anything like that. I'm thinking more of British Columbia in general. As well, paying for land in a place where over 90% of the land is completely untraveled just seems laughable. Why pay when you'll never get found, especially if your settlement is underground?
This is true indeed. What types of problems do you think could occur that would require immediate attention, barring power tools and animal attacks? It seems like anything outright dangerous would result in death, whereas other things, such as a sprained ankle, are entirely manageable.
Also relevant knowledge, then. I'm talking at least 5 feet of dirt on the roof, though.
Care to share some of that knowledge or those ideas?
An example http://shop.ebay.com/classiccountryland/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25
if you are serious about making it work you will need to own the land, no one will want to invest any sort of time effort or money if there is a chance they can be kicked off at anytime.
Snake bites and things, a small cut that got badly infected, things that would result in death if not treated quickly. No reason to die because you want to be so far out.
Why so far below ground? You know even bomb shelters are only 3'. I think by going that deep you are just making it a lot harder on yourself. Not just in digging the hole but trying to keep it a hole and not your grave when it all collapses on you.
Sorry it took so long to reply, been pretty busy lately.
Yes, I suppose. I just don't imagine you'd ever get found out in the wilderness, especially with mostly-concealed houses.
Ah, yes, a snake bite. True.
I feel like if you had an infected cut, and it was clear it wasn't getting better, then you'd have time to get back to civilization. But I do see what you mean.
I suppose 5 feet is a bit much, it's the optimal amount to keep heat constant, though. And I don't imagine I'd have the whole thing underground, I'd build it on a
That's fine.
Search, there are a lot of different listing for as low as $500, lots of stuff in Canada also.
I just used it as an example because they have low monthly payments, which makes nicer land a bit easier to get if you can make just a couple hundred a month. Also they don't do credit checks.
I assure you, eventually someone would stumble onto you.
Well by the time it was obvious it wouldn't be getting better it might all ready be too late, septic infection would keep you from walking out, and a hidden cavity that suddenly turns into a huge fucking abscessed tooth overnight could kill you.
What do you mean by "keep heat constant" and where did you get this info.
Seems your last sentence got cut off also.