Hey bro you should really think about breaking your thread down into smaller paragraphs. It makes it much more easy to read and really comprehend. Not that they are that hard to read but most users would find it easier to absorb. Also are you trying for Moderator of BI? If do, you got my vote.
Just a suggestion. Excellent guide though, very informative and detailed.
BTW> In your information you say Greenville; is that Greenville, South Carolina by any chance?
Great guide man, really well written although I agree with splitting this up a little more. Hopefully once we get some more activity with other people who are knowledgeable in these areas, your threads will get some better responses. It makes me a little sad to see replies like this in a thread with so much information in it
Two swings with a pick axe and you're already seeing daylight. Brick is very weak and brittle.
Thats a fact - most new commercial propperty is seperated by cinder block and you could take this down with a regular hammer in no time - they use very lightweight blocks that you can actually damage with with your fingers.
If places are seperated with plasterboard, you can kick your way through in no time at all.
Bricks are tougher, but once you have one removed the rest come out very easily.
I know of some one that climbed on the roof a shop, removed roof tiles and picked the door locks to get to where he wanted. He got the things he wanted and picked the locks closed on the way out and replaced the roof tiles.
Their would have been some very confused people and cops the next day when they realised that a lot of stock was missing. This was more than 40 years ago however and alarms were not a problem.
After all, how could somewhere have been 'burlged' if no one could have gotten in?
They do rip off like that - as I say, once one brick is out, the others are soon to follow.
It is also amazing what you can smash down with four foot of scaffold if you are strong enough to use it - you would look a little sus carrying it around. It is a hammer and a leaver and a chisel all in one. Hit the hinge area on a door or the lock area - its like magic - like the little key on a can of corned beef or tinned ham.
Now, a one foot length is great for removing padlocks. Some of the puny car thiefs I know use it for breaking the steering lock on the steering column on cars too.
This is actually a pretty good guide, granted it's not detailed, but you give some great suggestions.
I've worked in construction/roofing, and fully agree with you that it's very easy to knock holes in walls and roofs, and you don't need a lot to do it with. A 2-pound short-handled sledge along with a cold-chisel can get you through anything. I prefer to stick to roofs as you can work away from prying eyes.
One suggestion when looking to go through a neighboring business - say, at a strip mall, is pay attention to what type of "demising wall" is used. In the US, tenants need to be separated by a 2-hour fire rated demising wall, and for most malls/shops the construction will be either concrete block or metal studs. You can with a sledge and chisel knock a hole in the concrete block wall but better to stick to places that use metal studs. Those types of walls are usually 2 rows of metal studs with 2 layers of fire-rated gypsum on either side to give it a 2-hour fire rating.
Just a word of caution, sometimes when a tenant moves out a landlord (the strip mall owner) will install their own security alarm so as to not leave their other tenants compromised, pose as a potential leaser to learn more about the empty space, if the owner/realtor gives you a tour you can find out if it's alarmed.
I've found in some cases I could gain entry to an empty store, then knock a hole through the demising wall at an elevated point into the adjoining shop above their drop ceiling - and once in that space I could traverse the ceiling tile grid (mostly by clinging to utilities or bar joists) to a spot I wanted to drop down that was free from motion detectors, to do whatever I came to do. Exiting then would be by breakout.
It also helps when doing something like that to have an extra pair of eyes outside to watch for patrols/cops/busybodies, especially if you're going to be making a lot of noise.
For security reasons, demising walls tend to run all the way up to the underside of the roof structure. But in lower security settings, like in a "spec" office building, where you have corridors full of businesses and their offices, you can easily gain entry to an empty office (most of these have unlocked doors), wait in hiding until the offices close, then climb up into the ceiling and find the whole floor deck is wide open. Stick to the tops of walls or cling to overhead structures to minimize the risk of putting a foot through a ceiling tile. You should be completely familiar with the floor-plan and motion detector locations of the office you plan to "drop in" on, and whether the building has on-premise security or off-premise. Avoid opening doors once in, sometimes even internal doors (boss's office) might be alarmed, try to exit the way you came in, but if you HAVE to, go out the office door (setting off alarm) and beat a very hasty retreat.
"Spec" office is short for "speculative", meaning a builder/real estate investor built the thing with generic offices that can be rented out. Occasionally a bigger company might take over several offices or even an entire floor - after that those sort of companies tend to move into their own building. Spec offices also tend to be built on the cheap with terrible security, and if you have the ability to traverse above the drop ceilings, you can enter a large number of offices.
A gas station outside of my city(15mins) was broken into. Let me tell you this, these guys knew exactly what they were doing. This gas station was off the highway and they most likely weren't seen at all. They cut a hole in the roof that lead to the storage room that had no cameras. They then cut all the cables, took all the shit, took the ATM machine as well and smashed the front door and left. No alarm sounded at all. Funny thing is they took a road that was closed, it was all muddy and shit. They hit the ditch as a farmer was coming, police arrested them.
A gas station outside of my city(15mins) was broken into. Let me tell you this, these guys knew exactly what they were doing. This gas station was off the highway and they most likely weren't seen at all. They cut a hole in the roof that lead to the storage room that had no cameras. They then cut all the cables, took all the shit, took the ATM machine as well and smashed the front door and left. No alarm sounded at all. Funny thing is they took a road that was closed, it was all muddy and shit. They hit the ditch as a farmer was coming, police arrested them.
This just proves the point that you have to plan for every possible consequence. They obviously didn't plan the escape properly, failed to take into account that the road they wanted to take was unsuitable, etc. They could have gotten away with just a little more planning.
It's not a video of someone going through a wall in 7 minutes, but still... it impressed me.
That's really amazing, props to that guy for the patience and balls to sit there chipping away Shawshank Redemption style, and then crawl through a 35cm hole to raid the store! Awesome.
That's really amazing, props to that guy for the patience and balls to sit there chipping away Shawshank Redemption style, and then crawl through a 35cm hole to raid the store! Awesome.
I occasionally wonder what an individual could really get away with if they wore workmen's overalls/clothing and comitted a crime with the balls-out attitude (and basic cover story) of some doing their 'contractual' job.
Haha, not that Mr Shawshank appears to have bothered trying.
The man who broke through the jewelry store wall went straight into the store, not the stockroom. Aren't there any movement detectors there or do they all just use those glass shattering detectors nowadays? Glass blocks out infrared which is why alarms don't go apeshit every time a car drives by, so it'd make sense to have movement detectors everywhere.
Ya.. but remember, all motion detectors (even the modern ones) have limitations. When they're installed they need to get a specialist to come in, check the entire layout, align the detection patterns and configure the beams... etc.. I've done hundreds of commercial properties where there were motion detectors right out there and it was a breeze to get around them. They're calibrated for a certain height, certain reach, certain angle, and they certainly don't cover the entire floor if you don't have enough of them placed. Most likely, this jewelry store had one motion detector just over or to the side of the front door, then another one just over the back door, probably another one in his office, BUT he didn't have one where he should have had one, which was directly over the display case. Know your floor plan, and where your detectors are, and that allows you room to play.
Last I heard they used cameras for motion detection, and jewelry stores are 100% covered because of all the robberies and theft by employees. It's not the year 1990 anymore...
It's not like all jewelry stores are up on the latest technogolgy. You just have to do the homework, the footwork, and be able to find good targets. You don't just up and say, "Well, that's it! I give up! They're too good because they have *gasp* cameras!", then walk away in defeat like a small-minded, small-time dreamer. You look, you find, you do.
It's not like all jewelry stores are up on the latest technogolgy. You just have to do the homework, the footwork, and be able to find good targets. You don't just up and say, "Well, that's it! I give up! They're too good because they have *gasp* cameras!", then walk away in defeat like a small-minded, small-time dreamer. You look, you find, you do.
I see. I don't live in Soviet Russia where jewelry store owners can't afford 500 bucks for proper surveillance so I wouldn't know.
Tell me, how would YOU bypass a camera system that immediately notifies a security company if it detects any movement or the electricity is cut out? Those systems are present in every single store that has anything worth more than a hundred thousand bucks. I suppose you've done your "homework" as you claim you've "done hundreds of commercial properties".
Jor I could simultaneously set off dozens of alarms in the immediate area at the same time,
That would be the way I would do it - stage a reason for it like a problem at a power transformer and no one would bat an eyelid in your average central business district.
Just for the sake of theoretical discussion, I could place an explosive device on the receiver of the alarm station's system and disable their ability to detect the alarm at all, or I could simultaneously set off dozens of alarms in the immediate area at the same time, thus providing too many alarms to check them all in time to prevent the robbery. You have to be creative and adapt to any given situation. Relying solely on the "rules" is folly at best.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Your "creativity" isn't the good kind of creativity, it's the "creativity" retarded fucks have.
If you set off alarms in the immediate area they're going to send several patrol cars there and call the cops. I hope you have a lot of bombs to distract all those two million people working in the security business. Blow up an alarm station's receiver and you'll get to enjoy a vacation in Guantanamo Bay.
Besides, business owners are immediately notified by cell phone if there is a problem with the security system. Those systems are wireless, run on batteries being constantly reloaded and are located inside the store. I suppose you already knew that, gangsta? I bet you're going to suggest EMP bombs and signal jammers.
I occasionally wonder what an individual could really get away with if they wore workmen's overalls/clothing and comitted a crime with the balls-out attitude (and basic cover story) of some doing their 'contractual' job.
Haha, not that Mr Shawshank appears to have bothered trying.
The scenario was that a random house would be picked for low-security reasons and the owner of the house/apartment would be warned prior to the robbery. Now, the robberies were done in daylight across busy streets and avenues.
In one instance, 4 thiefs came with a "delivery" truck dressed in white coveralls and forced themselves inside the apartment complex. They tore down the main door and starting moving all of the expensive stuff inside the truck. Paintings, tiffany chandeliers, jewelery, etc... LOL. They were even stopped by a traffic cop for double parking and got away with a sincere apology. This was filmed in NYC.
Yep... could easily blow the power for the entire grid the jewelry store and all its neighbors is on... not that I would, but a storm can take down power completely for large business sectors all the time, and it doesn't even think... in that case, the jewelry store would have to have a backup power source already on the premises.
Take note of this guys, while you may not agree with spectral or his ideas, creativity is very important. But you're lucky to get 10 cents on the dollar unless you're selling big time, that is, hit several stores and have a good fence already set up. So you'd want to go for more well known jewelry stores, which may not have their alarm(and probably don't) backed up on the grid without a backup generator of some sort. This would mean killing the power in the entire area will do you no good.
Yeah, be sure you know what you're doing when it comes to appraisal. You can get as much as 40% if you do it right. Don't go for just one store though. Have a bunch of jobs planned out.
Despite the flaming, Spectral has a point. Creativity is exactly what you want, and you can't dismiss things without completely proving that they won't work first. If they don't work, improve the idea. If the idea doesn't work at all, be creative and think of something else. As long as the idea helps you get the job done effectively, then you're good to go.
Sure, sure, creativity is important. But blowing up transformers and shutting down networks like in movies is just plain retarded. Keep it realistic.
By the way sell your jewelry to jews, they're the most trustworthy. Mr Parasite Goldensteinberg won't give a fuck where you got them as long as you bring the stuff with you.
I was merely demonstrating for you how unrealistic it is to think that all jewelry stores have camera-capable motion detectors... trying to lump every single jewelry store into one lump as if they were all the same. I broke the mold because you were trying to build one.
The security business has STANDARDS. There is a mold. Good job picking the only store in the world that doesn't have A 200-DOLLAR CAMERA OR A SMALL MONTHLY FEE JESUS CHRIST HOW TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED AND EXPENSIVE SOMEBODY DEALING WITH GOLD AND DIAMONDS ON A DAILY BASIS COULDN'T AFFORD. If you manage to find a one there won't be anything worth stealing.
You could say it's unrealistic to say all cars have tires. Some don't, but they are one in a million and broken in the first place.
I don't know where you live but in the western world every god damn jewelry store has those cameras. You have posted several times contributing no advice whatsoever unless you count "use your creativity" for any kind of advice. You claim to have done hundreds of commercial jobs which would mean you wouldn't need to use TOTSE since obviously you're a millionaire cat burglar. And at the same time you admit this over the Internet.
Good riddance, this is why I won't bother registering. This is exactly like the original TOTSE, teenagers whining and lying about how hardcore they are. Well, have fun with your completely unrealistic fantasies of getting money.
Good riddance, this is why I won't bother registering. This is exactly like the original TOTSE, teenagers whining and lying about how hardcore they are. Well, have fun with your completely unrealistic fantasies of getting money.
Stop crying, little boy. You've been crying since you set foot in this thread.
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Just a suggestion. Excellent guide though, very informative and detailed.
BTW> In your information you say Greenville; is that Greenville, South Carolina by any chance?
Why don't you hear of more people breaking into houses using pickaxes?
Thats a fact - most new commercial propperty is seperated by cinder block and you could take this down with a regular hammer in no time - they use very lightweight blocks that you can actually damage with with your fingers.
If places are seperated with plasterboard, you can kick your way through in no time at all.
Bricks are tougher, but once you have one removed the rest come out very easily.
I know of some one that climbed on the roof a shop, removed roof tiles and picked the door locks to get to where he wanted. He got the things he wanted and picked the locks closed on the way out and replaced the roof tiles.
Their would have been some very confused people and cops the next day when they realised that a lot of stock was missing. This was more than 40 years ago however and alarms were not a problem.
After all, how could somewhere have been 'burlged' if no one could have gotten in?
It is also amazing what you can smash down with four foot of scaffold if you are strong enough to use it - you would look a little sus carrying it around. It is a hammer and a leaver and a chisel all in one. Hit the hinge area on a door or the lock area - its like magic - like the little key on a can of corned beef or tinned ham.
Now, a one foot length is great for removing padlocks. Some of the puny car thiefs I know use it for breaking the steering lock on the steering column on cars too.
I've worked in construction/roofing, and fully agree with you that it's very easy to knock holes in walls and roofs, and you don't need a lot to do it with. A 2-pound short-handled sledge along with a cold-chisel can get you through anything. I prefer to stick to roofs as you can work away from prying eyes.
One suggestion when looking to go through a neighboring business - say, at a strip mall, is pay attention to what type of "demising wall" is used. In the US, tenants need to be separated by a 2-hour fire rated demising wall, and for most malls/shops the construction will be either concrete block or metal studs. You can with a sledge and chisel knock a hole in the concrete block wall but better to stick to places that use metal studs. Those types of walls are usually 2 rows of metal studs with 2 layers of fire-rated gypsum on either side to give it a 2-hour fire rating.
Just a word of caution, sometimes when a tenant moves out a landlord (the strip mall owner) will install their own security alarm so as to not leave their other tenants compromised, pose as a potential leaser to learn more about the empty space, if the owner/realtor gives you a tour you can find out if it's alarmed.
I've found in some cases I could gain entry to an empty store, then knock a hole through the demising wall at an elevated point into the adjoining shop above their drop ceiling - and once in that space I could traverse the ceiling tile grid (mostly by clinging to utilities or bar joists) to a spot I wanted to drop down that was free from motion detectors, to do whatever I came to do. Exiting then would be by breakout.
It also helps when doing something like that to have an extra pair of eyes outside to watch for patrols/cops/busybodies, especially if you're going to be making a lot of noise.
For security reasons, demising walls tend to run all the way up to the underside of the roof structure. But in lower security settings, like in a "spec" office building, where you have corridors full of businesses and their offices, you can easily gain entry to an empty office (most of these have unlocked doors), wait in hiding until the offices close, then climb up into the ceiling and find the whole floor deck is wide open. Stick to the tops of walls or cling to overhead structures to minimize the risk of putting a foot through a ceiling tile. You should be completely familiar with the floor-plan and motion detector locations of the office you plan to "drop in" on, and whether the building has on-premise security or off-premise. Avoid opening doors once in, sometimes even internal doors (boss's office) might be alarmed, try to exit the way you came in, but if you HAVE to, go out the office door (setting off alarm) and beat a very hasty retreat.
"Spec" office is short for "speculative", meaning a builder/real estate investor built the thing with generic offices that can be rented out. Occasionally a bigger company might take over several offices or even an entire floor - after that those sort of companies tend to move into their own building. Spec offices also tend to be built on the cheap with terrible security, and if you have the ability to traverse above the drop ceilings, you can enter a large number of offices.
This just proves the point that you have to plan for every possible consequence. They obviously didn't plan the escape properly, failed to take into account that the road they wanted to take was unsuitable, etc. They could have gotten away with just a little more planning.
Great story though dude.
It's not a video of someone going through a wall in 7 minutes, but still... it impressed me.
That's really amazing, props to that guy for the patience and balls to sit there chipping away Shawshank Redemption style, and then crawl through a 35cm hole to raid the store! Awesome.
I occasionally wonder what an individual could really get away with if they wore workmen's overalls/clothing and comitted a crime with the balls-out attitude (and basic cover story) of some doing their 'contractual' job.
Haha, not that Mr Shawshank appears to have bothered trying.
Last I heard they used cameras for motion detection, and jewelry stores are 100% covered because of all the robberies and theft by employees. It's not the year 1990 anymore...
This.
I see. I don't live in Soviet Russia where jewelry store owners can't afford 500 bucks for proper surveillance so I wouldn't know.
Tell me, how would YOU bypass a camera system that immediately notifies a security company if it detects any movement or the electricity is cut out? Those systems are present in every single store that has anything worth more than a hundred thousand bucks. I suppose you've done your "homework" as you claim you've "done hundreds of commercial properties".
That would be the way I would do it - stage a reason for it like a problem at a power transformer and no one would bat an eyelid in your average central business district.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Your "creativity" isn't the good kind of creativity, it's the "creativity" retarded fucks have.
If you set off alarms in the immediate area they're going to send several patrol cars there and call the cops. I hope you have a lot of bombs to distract all those two million people working in the security business. Blow up an alarm station's receiver and you'll get to enjoy a vacation in Guantanamo Bay.
Besides, business owners are immediately notified by cell phone if there is a problem with the security system. Those systems are wireless, run on batteries being constantly reloaded and are located inside the store. I suppose you already knew that, gangsta? I bet you're going to suggest EMP bombs and signal jammers.
The scenario was that a random house would be picked for low-security reasons and the owner of the house/apartment would be warned prior to the robbery. Now, the robberies were done in daylight across busy streets and avenues.
In one instance, 4 thiefs came with a "delivery" truck dressed in white coveralls and forced themselves inside the apartment complex. They tore down the main door and starting moving all of the expensive stuff inside the truck. Paintings, tiffany chandeliers, jewelery, etc... LOL. They were even stopped by a traffic cop for double parking and got away with a sincere apology. This was filmed in NYC.
Take note of this guys, while you may not agree with spectral or his ideas, creativity is very important. But you're lucky to get 10 cents on the dollar unless you're selling big time, that is, hit several stores and have a good fence already set up. So you'd want to go for more well known jewelry stores, which may not have their alarm(and probably don't) backed up on the grid without a backup generator of some sort. This would mean killing the power in the entire area will do you no good.
By the way sell your jewelry to jews, they're the most trustworthy. Mr Parasite Goldensteinberg won't give a fuck where you got them as long as you bring the stuff with you.
The security business has STANDARDS. There is a mold. Good job picking the only store in the world that doesn't have A 200-DOLLAR CAMERA OR A SMALL MONTHLY FEE JESUS CHRIST HOW TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED AND EXPENSIVE SOMEBODY DEALING WITH GOLD AND DIAMONDS ON A DAILY BASIS COULDN'T AFFORD. If you manage to find a one there won't be anything worth stealing.
You could say it's unrealistic to say all cars have tires. Some don't, but they are one in a million and broken in the first place.
I don't know where you live but in the western world every god damn jewelry store has those cameras. You have posted several times contributing no advice whatsoever unless you count "use your creativity" for any kind of advice. You claim to have done hundreds of commercial jobs which would mean you wouldn't need to use TOTSE since obviously you're a millionaire cat burglar. And at the same time you admit this over the Internet.
Good riddance, this is why I won't bother registering. This is exactly like the original TOTSE, teenagers whining and lying about how hardcore they are. Well, have fun with your completely unrealistic fantasies of getting money.
-SpectraL is like 60 something if I remember correctly. He hasn't done any B&E in a while I'm sure.