I've taken in aspects of Islam, Christianity, Taoism, Buddhism, fascism, anarchy, and telekinesis and tried to arrange them in a way that made it all make sense. I found out that this way is the Path.
I don't believe in any organised religion, but I do believe a higher intelligence created the universe. There are plenty of things we can't explain and there always will be, this doesn't mean we need to fill these gaps with something else.
However I have a lot of respect for religious people, I think it's great that they can put so much faith into their religion. That assurance makes them more contented people in my experience.
I don't believe in any organised religion, but I do believe a higher intelligence created the universe. There are plenty of things we can't explain and there always will be, this doesn't mean we need to fill these gaps with something else.
However I have a lot of respect for religious people, I think it's great that they can put so much faith into their religion. That assurance makes them more contented people in my experience.
So you're a deist? Or you believe in intelligent design?
I'm with Bill Maher on this one. I don't think faith is a good thing. To me it makes no sense to believe something without proof.
I would say proof is in expirience and interaction; first and foremost your own personal expirience and interaction. If the universe is intellegent or not seems boring anyways. It is much more interesting to find out to what extent we can make that judgment in the first place.
What do you mean by proof? How do we prove the universe is intelligent?
Are we not intelligent? Are we not the universe? Is the answer not obvious?
I have several problems with this. We define ourselves as intelligent based on human standards. We are not the universe, despite being made of elements that are in the universe. We did not create the universe. We have no proof that a physical or non-physical being did so either.
When a cell divides, is it not the same concept? Are the cells in your body not the same as you? If not, then what are we?
If the child is not the same as the woman, what is the woman?
The way I see it, everything is apart of everything. Nothing is separate. Separation is an illusion. We are the cells of Earth.
The Gaia idea?
A child is isn't the mother. A child has its own separate consciousness and DNA, which is also DNA from the father, meaning it's NOT genetically identical to the mother.
Separation is reality, I would argue. The earth doesn't have cells. The earth has elements. Cells are different.
It's not even remotely a paradox. A sword is metal but it's not a hunk of iron in the ground. A wooden boat is wood but it's not a tree.
I agree with certain aspects of Intelligent Design but agree with some of the morals that the major religions teach. I guess if I had to classify it I'd call myself and Agnostic Deist. Whatever exists out there is probably no more aware of me than I am of it. I disagree with organized religion but respect someone for having faith in anything because I don't.
We define ourselves as intelligent based on human standards.
So? Your defining of the universe as unintelligent (or as something separate, or other than yourself, or whatever) is only arbitrarily defined by human standards, too.
Your parents are an extension of you. You might say, "I can't think my parents thoughts, I can't control their actions; they are not me". But they are.
In the same way that you cannot control the beating of your heart or the functions of many other organs, or the interactions of the millions and millions of organisms that do not contain your DNA that live within your body and allow you to live, they are you.
You are as much the shining of the sun, as you are the beating of your heart. Just because you do not feel in control of most of the universe, does not mean it is not you.
Your parents are an extension of you. You might say, "I can't think my parents thoughts, I can't control their actions; they are not me". But they are.
In the same way that you cannot control the beating of your heart or the functions of many other organs, or the interactions of the millions and millions of organisms that do not contain your DNA that live within your body and allow you to live, they are you.
You are as much the shining of the sun, as you are the beating of your heart. Just because you do not feel in control of most of the universe, does not mean it is not you.
I'm gonna have to side with H.P. Lovecraft on this one: "In theory I am an agnostic, but pending the appearance of radical evidence I must be classed, practically and provisionally, as an atheist."
But I can identify strongly with Ben Klassen's creativity movement, or atleast the overall message of it, being following nature and having a love for nature, it's "godly" in the "Einsteinian" sense of the world. God in that sense meaning "nature". Overall though I'm an atheist.
But I can identify strongly with Ben Klassen's creativity movement, or atleast the overall message of it, being following nature and having a love for nature, it's "godly" in the "Einsteinian" sense of the world. God in that sense meaning "nature". Overall though I'm an atheist.
Hey everyone look how edgy slim is.
Ouch! I cut myself on that "national anarchist" edge!
^^Creativity is Atheist. It just has a stronger emphasis on whites being the creator of civilization.
You're right, I don't call it outright atheism since the creativity movement itself makes a distinction between itself and atheism.
Atheism vs. Creativity - A Comparison
A. Common Grounds.
Both Atheism and Creativity deplore and denounce any and all supernatural beliefs, claims and superstitions. We do not believe in gods,
devils, spooks, spirits, heaven or hell. We denounce all such hocus-pocus as being invented by men, largely for the purpose of controlling their
minds and worldly affairs and extracting the utmost financial gain from them.
B. Major Differences.
Whereas Atheism is a negative approach to a positive evil, unfortunately it lacks a positive creed and program of its own to replace the
superstitions it seeks to destroy. The Atheist movements are mostly small, some take on some weird hang-ups of their own, and by and large,
have done little to either help destroy Christianity or any of the other religions based on fear, superstition and gullibility. As a result they have
accomplished little that is constructive. The Jewish influence is heavy.
Creativity, on the other hand, has a comprehensive creed and program that embraces the whole spectrum of living: A Sound Mind in a Sound
Body in a Sound Society in a Sound Environment. We seek to build a Whiter and Brighter World for the future progeny of the White Race, all of
which is encompassed In our Three Basic Books, Nature's Eternal Religion, The White Man's Bible and Salubrious Living, supplemented
further by our most re- cent additions. Expanding Creativity and Building a Whiter and Brighter World.
We have the "gegengift" that Hitler suggested was necessary to do the job and we are determined to do it. We are certain that we are the
Wave of the Future.
* * * * *
Christianity is Mass Insanity built on a foundation of superstition, gullibility and ignorance fortified by an intensive campaign of mind
manipulation.
* * * * *
Without a successful Creativity movement the White Race is dead. Our every thought and action must be - Will it help promote CREATIVITY?
* * * * *
The White Race will either inhabit Planet Earth in totality, or it will not survive at all. There will be no in between in our future.
* * * * *
For the White Race Creativity is the most meaningful and beneficial idea in its entire history.
* * * * *
The Ultimate Horror is the Mongrelization of the White Race.
But yes, it is atheistic in the "Einsteinian" sense. I'd call the creativity movement pantheist.
"In theory I am an agnostic, but pending the appearance of radical evidence I must be classed, practically and provisionally, as an atheist." - H.P. Lovecraft
I am a secular person. I can be considered an Agnostic
The reason i am that way is because i am a socialist and a part of that is believing that humanity has the ability to make it's own decisions and should collectively take responsibility for its own destiny.
Invoking a higher deity in your beliefs comes hand in hand with the idea that free-will is non existent and everything is out of our hands.
There very well may be a god, i simply don't know, however it is probable that it isn't one that micro-manages us or one that we understand. I don't dwell on it because i find it irrelevant - i get my morals from reason and my own understanding of the world.
I do what i think is good - not what i am told is right. I don't need to spend my life juggling the two.
I am LaVey satanist. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-control, and "eye for an eye" morality and combines it with ateism! Here's some guidelines for LaVeyan Satanism! The Nine Satanic Statements
1.Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2.Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3.Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4.Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5.Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6.Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7.Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8.Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9.Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth1.Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2.Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3.When in another’s home, show them respect or else do not go there.
4.If a guest in your home annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
5.Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6.Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.
7.Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8.Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9.Do not harm young children.
10.Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11.When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.
I am LaVey satanist. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-control, and "eye for an eye" morality and combines it with ateism! Here's some guidelines for LaVeyan Satanism! The Nine Satanic Statements
1.Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2.Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3.Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4.Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5.Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6.Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7.Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8.Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9.Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth1.Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2.Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3.When in another’s home, show them respect or else do not go there.
4.If a guest in your home annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
5.Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6.Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.
7.Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8.Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9.Do not harm young children.
10.Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11.When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.
HEY EVERYONE LOOK, IT'S YOU WHEN YOU WERE 15!
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
haha lol xD Is there something wrong with being an atheist and have self-respect :O
yeah I know the rules maybe sounds funny (like nr 9. Do not harm young children), but atleast I ain't a stupid/ignorant pedophile... xD
haha lol xD Is there something wrong with being an atheist and have self-respect :O
yeah I know the rules maybe sounds funny (like nr 9. Do not harm young children), but atleast I ain't a stupid/ignorant pedophile... xD
Want to elaborate on what is stupid/ignorant about a paedophile?
You really do sound like you're 15.
In regard to satanism, the only mistake LaVey made was the lack of third positionism and collectivism.
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Same here :thumbsup:
For some reason I lol'ed after reading that.
Filthy Heathan:o:o:o:o:o
You misspelled heathen. :facepalm:
However I have a lot of respect for religious people, I think it's great that they can put so much faith into their religion. That assurance makes them more contented people in my experience.
So you're a deist? Or you believe in intelligent design?
I'm with Bill Maher on this one. I don't think faith is a good thing. To me it makes no sense to believe something without proof.
Are we not intelligent? Are we not the universe? Is the answer not obvious?
I have several problems with this. We define ourselves as intelligent based on human standards. We are not the universe, despite being made of elements that are in the universe. We did not create the universe. We have no proof that a physical or non-physical being did so either.
paradox?
Not a paradox. A woman can give birth to a child, and that child is made up of elements of its mother. But is the child the same as the woman? No.
When a cell divides, is it not the same concept? Are the cells in your body not the same as you? If not, then what are we?
If the child is not the same as the woman, what is the woman?
The way I see it, everything is apart of everything. Nothing is separate. Separation is an illusion. We are the cells of Earth.
Ive been raised that way. Although i enjoy delving into religion in my imagination sometimes
The Gaia idea?
A child is isn't the mother. A child has its own separate consciousness and DNA, which is also DNA from the father, meaning it's NOT genetically identical to the mother.
Separation is reality, I would argue. The earth doesn't have cells. The earth has elements. Cells are different.
It's not even remotely a paradox. A sword is metal but it's not a hunk of iron in the ground. A wooden boat is wood but it's not a tree.
So? Your defining of the universe as unintelligent (or as something separate, or other than yourself, or whatever) is only arbitrarily defined by human standards, too.
Really? First, before I get more into this, I would appreciate it if you would tell me a little about what you believe you are.
Do you identify yourself with the beating of your own heart?
I never said we ever did. The universe was not made, fanglekai, and neither were you.
Why does it have to be some separate being? You don't think of the universe itself as a being? Why?
Your parents are an extension of you. You might say, "I can't think my parents thoughts, I can't control their actions; they are not me". But they are.
In the same way that you cannot control the beating of your heart or the functions of many other organs, or the interactions of the millions and millions of organisms that do not contain your DNA that live within your body and allow you to live, they are you.
You are as much the shining of the sun, as you are the beating of your heart. Just because you do not feel in control of most of the universe, does not mean it is not you.
Very well put.
statements like that are why people hate religous people
That said, Tao Te Ching is epic! Even if you're not religious.
But I can identify strongly with Ben Klassen's creativity movement, or atleast the overall message of it, being following nature and having a love for nature, it's "godly" in the "Einsteinian" sense of the world. God in that sense meaning "nature". Overall though I'm an atheist.
Hey everyone look how edgy slim is.
Ouch! I cut myself on that "national anarchist" edge!
zomg melatonin!
You're right, I don't call it outright atheism since the creativity movement itself makes a distinction between itself and atheism.
But yes, it is atheistic in the "Einsteinian" sense. I'd call the creativity movement pantheist.
Speaks best for me.
The reason i am that way is because i am a socialist and a part of that is believing that humanity has the ability to make it's own decisions and should collectively take responsibility for its own destiny.
Invoking a higher deity in your beliefs comes hand in hand with the idea that free-will is non existent and everything is out of our hands.
There very well may be a god, i simply don't know, however it is probable that it isn't one that micro-manages us or one that we understand. I don't dwell on it because i find it irrelevant - i get my morals from reason and my own understanding of the world.
I do what i think is good - not what i am told is right. I don't need to spend my life juggling the two.
I am LaVey satanist. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-control, and "eye for an eye" morality and combines it with ateism! Here's some guidelines for LaVeyan Satanism!
The Nine Satanic Statements
1.Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence
2.Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
3.Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
4.Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
5.Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
6.Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
7.Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
8.Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
9.Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years
The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth1.Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2.Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3.When in another’s home, show them respect or else do not go there.
4.If a guest in your home annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
5.Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6.Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.
7.Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8.Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9.Do not harm young children.
10.Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11.When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.
HEY EVERYONE LOOK, IT'S YOU WHEN YOU WERE 15!
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
You seem to be saying more agreeable things these last few days
yeah I know the rules maybe sounds funny (like nr 9. Do not harm young children), but atleast I ain't a stupid/ignorant pedophile... xD
Want to elaborate on what is stupid/ignorant about a paedophile?
You really do sound like you're 15.
In regard to satanism, the only mistake LaVey made was the lack of third positionism and collectivism.
How can you make the judgement that all pedophiles are stupid and/or ignorant?